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Post by flinflon123 on Oct 25, 2014 19:17:47 GMT -6
Mike has done a good job building this team, they are exciting to watch. They play with heart, they do not want to lose.
Unfortunately, they suck at controlling that emotion. I seen the butt end of our leading scorer impale an opponent last night. Disgusted me. Leading scorer or not, those types of actions need to be addressed.
I don't know if it's the one fight rule, or if it's just this group, but something needs an answer.
I'm not talking trades, or something harsh, just accountability. Sit a game, or a bag skate, whatever. It's garbage.
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Post by oilersrock28 on Oct 26, 2014 14:50:52 GMT -6
I don't care how many penalties they take as long as they are winning. If they are good penalties that's not bad or if penalties are a by product of playing with reckless abandon and no fear mentality. I'd be careful as a coach if the group will go thru a wall for each other you do not want to mess with that or start making issues with team dynamics....7-2-2-2 and no losses by more then 1 goal:-)
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Post by moondoggy on Oct 26, 2014 15:54:22 GMT -6
this is nothing new . every year they are one of the most penalized teams in the league, and every year, what happens, they dont win the league. no surprises here....
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Post by bomber2491 on Oct 26, 2014 18:39:59 GMT -6
Great argument, moondoggy. Considering only 3 teams have won the league in the last 10 years. And FF123, if that's one of the worst things you have ever seen, I question the amount of games you actually watch to the ones you claim to watch. It's called heat of the moment, and the Bombers are by far not the only ones guilty of it. Check out some past games of Estevan in FF
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Post by flinflon123 on Oct 27, 2014 11:46:37 GMT -6
Great argument, moondoggy. Considering only 3 teams have won the league in the last 10 years. And FF123, if that's one of the worst things you have ever seen, I question the amount of games you actually watch to the ones you claim to watch. It's called heat of the moment, and the Bombers are by far not the only ones guilty of it. Check out some past games of Estevan in FF Heat of the moment? After a scrum that was clearing? I watch a ton of hockey year over year, mostly WHL the past 8 or so, I never once seen a butt end, or a spear for that matter. That type of play is uncalled for, it's dangerous, and in real leagues it's punished with fines/suspensions. 3 teams have won the league, none if which lead the league in PM. Fact check on sjhl site proves this. I was around as a kid in the Skully(sp?) vs bruins days, and it was dirty hockey then..... The sport has grown |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 13:43:27 GMT -6
in 8 years you have never seen a butt end or a spear? Could say more but I won't!
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Post by moondoggy on Oct 27, 2014 16:27:56 GMT -6
you have never seen a butt end or a spear, then you are not watching junior hockey, it happens more then you think, as for penalty minutes, that is totally up to the coach to nip it in the butt, but it has never happened in ff, not sure why, lack of experience or lack of respect for the coach...
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Post by moondoggy on Oct 27, 2014 16:28:10 GMT -6
you have never seen a butt end or a spear, then you are not watching junior hockey, it happens more then you think, as for penalty minutes, that is totally up to the coach to nip it in the butt, but it has never happened in ff, not sure why, lack of experience or lack of respect for the coach...
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Post by flinflon123 on Oct 27, 2014 21:18:25 GMT -6
It just simply doesn't happen like it used to. It's almost gone from the game. You can't name me 2 incidents in recent memory..... to say it happens all the time is simply not true. The unintentional butt end in the corner happens, and the elbows happen, but the spears are nearly gone....
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Post by ipeecoy on Oct 28, 2014 19:34:27 GMT -6
It just simply doesn't happen like it used to. It's almost gone from the game. You can't name me 2 incidents in recent memory..... to say it happens all the time is simply not true. The unintentional butt end in the corner happens, and the elbows happen, but the spears are nearly gone.... BS - Yeah right unintentional butt end, elbow, and spears ... |
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Post by moondoggy on Oct 28, 2014 19:49:44 GMT -6
i,m wondering what happened to all the returning players from last year? why there are so many new players. they only had two 20 year olds graduating from last year..hmmm
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Post by rovingsjreportr on Oct 29, 2014 6:06:35 GMT -6
Who are you referring to moondoggy? And what are you insinuating? Bucsis? He thinks he's better than what he is and he's in the NAHL, same with Soubry and Nichols. Menke didn't want to be here from the get go and Mike traded him. Poulin-Roy? Who cares, he got traded back to where he came from. Desrosiers retired because his head is mush. Who else? Just because you have many returning guys, doesn't mean they are all going to return. That still leaves 12. 12!
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Post by snipe44 on Oct 29, 2014 7:21:00 GMT -6
Do you really want 20 players to return from a brutal team?
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 29, 2014 8:48:17 GMT -6
Seems like the league "reboots" every year now....players go to other leagues, players quit, players wanna be closer to home, players wanna work while they play Jr B. In other words, every year every team seems to be a bit of a rebuild cause of the constantly changing rosters. Its not a bad thing, I think it gives every team a better chance from year to year.
In terms of the dirty play in hockey....well...its an emotional game....pure and simple...sometimes players just lose it. It aint pretty.....Marty McSorely comes to mind, Ulf Samuelsson, Todd Bertuzzi.
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Post by nofavorites on Oct 29, 2014 17:27:06 GMT -6
bombers add tyler bell. he was released from lethbridge. raiders would have been better to pick him up as 20yr old.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 21:43:04 GMT -6
Anyone in FF know how many players they have on their roster that have WHL experince? And who are they - Seems like a lot. Hopefully for the Bombers most don't get called up in Jan. Hopefully for the rest of the league they all get called back. If so, how are the AP's from the Bantam team in FF this year LOL.
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Post by ff39 on Oct 29, 2014 22:50:50 GMT -6
I don't know the number but know 4 off the top of my head after Harland went out east. It's actually nice to see as the B's rarely get W returns. Take a look at the numbers over the years for the Terriers, Mils, Klipps etc. and it's not even close. To add to that, when we have had a guy here or there, they were cut for a reason. Just because you've played a couple games in the W doesn't mean you're going to be the guy in the SJ. If you come in as a 16 or 17 year old, it's rare to see them take the minutes or be more productive than a JR A calibre 19 year old would have been in the spot otherwise. I would get a little choked in years past seeing name after name go to the big guns who just seemed to get better and better for free but in the end, I realised they owned their rights so whether through scouting or trades, they earned it, hell even gambled on the chance so don't come giving us  now. I hear this Dauphin - Portage war too much on the other forum! |
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Post by oilersrock28 on Oct 30, 2014 8:58:06 GMT -6
IMO I think a lot of whl players come to teams with piss poor attitudes (not all though), which can be a cancer in dressing room or taking silly penalty one after another. In these w players defense it probably feels like their world has just ended. But if they step back and give the new team at least a month I think it should work out... 1) get to play now with more minutes usually 2) not all doors are closed for them still CIS, minorbpro or overseas options potentially
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Post by greenhockey on Nov 4, 2014 11:17:55 GMT -6
So far, the Bombers have proven they can be a very good team with a balance of scorers, grinders and good skating D-men, but teams that win when it matters do not continue to take stupid or selfish penalties. For a coach, the solution is simple. Ice time. You cannot play guys if you cannot trust them - first line or fourth line.
On another note, interesting that Melfort plays Flin Flon 4 times in just over a week, including 3 games in a row coming up? Strange scheduling by the league, for the Mustangs and the Bombers.
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Post by lefty on Nov 4, 2014 14:05:59 GMT -6
Schedule may be strange. but it's the coaches that hash it all out at the scheduling meeting.
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Post by flinflon123 on Nov 9, 2014 22:50:59 GMT -6
Well the boys in maroon sure proved their lack of discipline yet again, 8 penalties, and 1 of them was a "good" penalty.
They won't get past Melfort unless they correct this issue.
Melfort looks real good early on here. Move the puck better than most teams I've seen since Dean Brockman's club wouldn't let you have the puck!
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Post by nofavorites on Nov 12, 2014 13:32:26 GMT -6
wow, lose a couple games and lets shake up everything. trade away? maybe address the discipline issues. I thought team was pretty sound, hope this doesn't back fire.
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Post by bomber2491 on Nov 12, 2014 13:45:55 GMT -6
Shake up everything? Mike moved a guy that didn't want to be here due to personal issues. Plus he upgraded the goaltending. I would hardly call it a shake up. Good luck to Erik. Hope he can turn around Whitecourt's season. Welcome to the new guys!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 14:54:31 GMT -6
So who didn't want to be there Yaremchuk or Pederson? Can never question a coach for trying to improve but it is a bit surprising to see that many moves that close togehter for a team that seems to have a winning combo - . I just can't imagine 12 forwards ALL BEING OK with letting the other guy have the ice time. 1 in 12 must have an ego! Perhaps 1 in 12 is gone?  ?? There is always a reason! |
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Post by moondoggy on Nov 12, 2014 18:23:00 GMT -6
some kids figure it out earlier then others, this year it is just abit earlier....
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Nov 12, 2014 22:14:38 GMT -6
moondoggy meant to post under the "train is leaving flin flon thread" this is the "no discipline" thread.....with so many threads about the early demise of the bombers. its easy to get confused.
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Post by oilersrock28 on Nov 14, 2014 13:18:27 GMT -6
Moondoggy what do the players need to figure out sooner rather then later this year? Are posters saying more players need to complain about lack of ice time because the team has so much depth this year? Players must be more selfish? Its not always how much you play but HOW you play with the ice time given. Oif I'm misinterpreting comments then I'm sorry. All opinions welcome. Anyone know the story with Eric Peterson?, did he want more ice time or did geget homesick? Was he wining behind closed doors?always thought he was a stand up player. More interestingly for me is what happened with lance yaremchuk? Peeps were saying he had an injury but now that appears it wasn't the case. Another player too good for the sjhl?he played only 1 game, sure he was a good AAA player but I've seen enough good AAA players who don't do much in junior a to know he is by far a sure thing. I had numerous opportunities to see him play in pa. He would take insanely long shifts, a defensive liability, a bit selfish with the puck and not very big. IMO I say good riddance, if a player doesn't want to be here then I say good riddence it has taken me years to understand this but now I do. 1 bad apple can ruin the whole bunch just like dominoes, negativity and bad additudes spread like smallpox. Side note: last game the bombers only took 4 penalties I think after losing 2 important games in a row, multiple trades of top players I hope this is a turning point on the team coming back to the pack re: penalty minutes....better to have the problems now then in march or April....I'm excited bout the recent trades, go bombers
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Post by flinflon123 on Nov 14, 2014 13:35:22 GMT -6
From the Wednesday broadcast,
Pedersen had a poor attitude, Yaremchuk was to small and Switzers line mate came available.
Yaremchuk is tough to see go, your wrong about him oilers rock. He will put up huge numbers. Thankfully, this trade should not haunt us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 1:03:04 GMT -6
After Sat's game I thought this thread should be at the top AGAIN!!!!!
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Post by ff39 on Nov 16, 2014 1:32:34 GMT -6
I completely forgot that the 3 division leaders ranked 1-2-3 in league standings. I'd seen Melville there for a while now and it just didn't register as anything else but a glitch in the system. As noted on the SJ Saturday wrap, I found it interesting that the Bombers would meet the Mils in the 3 VS 6 match in the playoffs if the standings remained the same. I like the idea of winning your division and taking a top 3 seed as you play a ton of divisional games but I'm starting to see a pattern where there's always one division that's well behind - in ALL sports and someone gets a pass. There's such parity that it's absolutely any ones trophy but I would honestly hate to move up and earn a spot against ND instead of the Mills at this juncture anyways. Should be some good crowds come playoffs if the races remain tight in the top 10! Hell we might even see some .650 - 700 teams selling the farm come Jan 10th at this point! I wish I was back in Sasky to catch some of the action.
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?? There is always a reason!