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Post by flinflon123 on Feb 19, 2015 11:30:07 GMT -6
After reading today about the Klippers financial distress, that puts 3 teams (Wey, Kin, and La) in trouble. So i've created a new league. Chow should give me his job so I can fix this mess once and for all. I've taken La Ronge out of the league, added Thompson and Warman. My next post to follow up will include travel distance for each club broken down. please look at this map for details. Klippers article is also attached. toontownsports.net/kindersley-could-be-klipped-from-the-sjhl/
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Post by craigbeauch on Feb 19, 2015 11:54:43 GMT -6
Have fun on that bus ride from Warman to Steinbach. Yeesh.
I was just talking with a coworker who said Warman campaigned to get an SJHL team before and it was a complete flop. Who the hell is gonna want to play way up in Thompson? Way way way too much travel when the closest team is 4 hours away, and in Flin Flon.
I feel like 21 teams is far too many for a Junior A league.
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Post by flinflon123 on Feb 19, 2015 13:18:37 GMT -6
Look at the red line on the map, its splits north and south, each team would only need to go on the LONG bus rides once a year, with the other team returning the favor once a year. Home and Home. Not really much different from where things stand now, the southern teams will of course fare better with the travel, but it would create more games between the more northern teams.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 14:55:33 GMT -6
Is there any form of revenue sharing from the league? The Sj sells the Canalta package and the CJ sells the RBC package and Canalta / RBC gives tickets to fans, the fans use the tickets in the rink and the team doesn't get money back,. The SJHL keeps it. . This could help a team.
The SJ sells those pre recorded audio commercials to air and forces the teams to play them. Do the teams get any money from that advertising?
The SJ sold those signs, you know the ones that take 48 days to fix. I know the teams can sell time on the digital signs and keep some - Do teams get to keep it all, or is the team now raising money for the league. Do the teams get any money from league sales on those signs. What about the $200,000 in the league scholarship fund. I could be wrong on the $ number but I think they have put $100,000 in each yr for 2 years. Can anyone get that money for school? -
There just seems to be so many places the league comes out smilling while the teams suffer.
Solution - let the Riders buy the league - problem solved - except maybe for FF. IMO -
Now Thanks to Outsider we may need a new league award for the best AVATAR - costing much more unavailable monies.
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Post by Statman on Feb 19, 2015 14:58:09 GMT -6
After reading today about the Klippers financial distress, that puts 3 teams (Wey, Kin, and La) in trouble. So i've created a new league. Chow should give me his job so I can fix this mess once and for all. I've taken La Ronge out of the league, added Thompson and Warman. My next post to follow up will include travel distance for each club broken down. please look at this map for details. Klippers article is also attached. View Attachmenttoontownsports.net/kindersley-could-be-klipped-from-the-sjhl/ff123 who died and made you Bill Chow? Why would you take La Ronge out of the league and leave Weyburn and Kindersley in when you have no financial proof that the Wolves are in a dire financial situation. The team has not publicly come out and stated that they are not able to maintain a team in the SJHL for the next season. All teams in junior hockey are suffering, even the dub teams. Heck on your next post map, you should include the Prince Albert Raiders, Swift Current Broncos and the Moose Jaw Warriors as they could leave the dub and join the SJ and kill all the small market teams.
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Post by swkot on Feb 19, 2015 21:16:59 GMT -6
I've got to think plenty of teams in both leagues are struggling to stay afloat, and there are probably a few on the edge of folding every year. If you're going to wipe La Ronge out, adding Thompson doesn't make sense at all.
Some people have suggested that junior hockey teams may have to move towards a pay to play system to keep teams going. Not sure how well that would work in a league that drafts their players, would have to all be on the same page (all teams charging same fee) or it would be a gong show.
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Post by flinflon123 on Feb 19, 2015 21:35:55 GMT -6
Actually if you looked at the map, Battleford and Kindetsley were moved into the AJHL. La Ronge cannot support a team. The rink is the worst in Western Canada, aside from the GLMC in OCN. The fan base is weak, sponsorship is weak, Bob Beatty being gone hurts, the 50/50 is small. Shall I go on?
I've been to every rink in Manitoba(except Winkler and Way Way), every rink in Saskatchewan, and about 1/3 of the rinks in Alberta.
La Ronge is the absolute worst of the worst.
As for Thompson not making sense to add a team there, you are wrong. They have the population, they have the new rink, which is actually quite nice to watch a game in, and they have the sponsors needed to substain a franchise.
It's the same distance from Winnipeg to FF as it is Winnipeg to Thomspon.
I am still working on the excel sheet that will help the geography dummy's in here how this will work, but believe me the travel savings will be immense.
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Post by swkot on Feb 19, 2015 22:17:51 GMT -6
As for Thompson not making sense to add a team there, you are wrong. They have the population, they have the new rink, which is actually quite nice to watch a game in, and they have the sponsors needed to substain a franchise. And they'd certainly be short on players (or opposing teams) interested in making a 5 hour trek into the bush to play hockey. The city doesn't exactly have an upstanding reputation.
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Post by flinflon123 on Feb 19, 2015 22:54:32 GMT -6
And La Ronge and lac la Ronge are shining stars of where everyone wants to send their children to play........ Thompson has a taco time and the kfc delivers. Pretty solid.
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Post by Statman on Feb 20, 2015 12:07:19 GMT -6
Actually if you looked at the map, Battleford and Kindetsley were moved into the AJHL. La Ronge cannot support a team. The rink is the worst in Western Canada, aside from the GLMC in OCN. The fan base is weak, sponsorship is weak, Bob Beatty being gone hurts, the 50/50 is small. Shall I go on? I've been to every rink in Manitoba(except Winkler and Way Way), every rink in Saskatchewan, and about 1/3 of the rinks in Alberta. La Ronge is the absolute worst of the worst. As for Thompson not making sense to add a team there, you are wrong. They have the population, they have the new rink, which is actually quite nice to watch a game in, and they have the sponsors needed to substain a franchise. It's the same distance from Winnipeg to FF as it is Winnipeg to Thomspon. I am still working on the excel sheet that will help the geography dummy's in here how this will work, but believe me the travel savings will be immense. I will give you the fact that the Mel (as a rink) is the $h!tt!est rink in the SJHL and probably in western Canada, however the JRMCC located on the reserve is a far superior rink and with the recent news of the renovations will make it on par with the majority of the arenas in the SJHL. I disagree that the fan base is weak in La Ronge. Attendance is down (as per junior hockey in general), the trick is to get these people in the stands, if that can be accomplished everything will be fine. I remember a few years ago the "burst the Bombers" where the Bombers were over $100,000 in debt, the community rallied and from what I heard has been able to address that debt. Corporate support is strong, but a team cannot survive on corporate sponsorship alone, it needs all three sources of revenue to make a go at it. Corporate Sponsorship, game day revenue and fund-raising. With Bob Beatty being gone, yes him leaving caused a "black hole", but coach Shawn Martin had done a very good job in recruiting this year and has setup this team very nicely for next year as the Wolves, probably have one of the strongest 96 group of players in the SJHL. I do think that you have some valid points in general. Finding ways to reduce travel costs (which are the largest expenditure a team will have) is the best way to reduce costs. Also teams need to be able to set their own ticket prices and find the right balance of cost vs attendance as each community will have its own demographical challenges. Also the league needs to find ways of trimming costs as well and putting these league corporate sponsorships to task and having the teams enjoy the benefits. I.e. SaskTel should be able to put quality high speed internet services into the Team's offices and Webcasts for free as part of the sponsorship, Canalta should offer discounted room rates for SJHL teams, Subway should offer discounted meals, etc.....
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Feb 20, 2015 12:09:50 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Feb 20, 2015 12:09:50 GMT -6
If teams are looking to save money should they purposely miss the playoffs? I've heard from a couple different people in the know that with the new playoff format some teams can actually lose money in the playoffs due to travel.. I've also heard that when laronge won the league they almost couldn't afford to go and play against the MJHL reps... I've said for a while that it would make sense for Battlefords to join the AJHL...
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Post by flinflon123 on Feb 20, 2015 13:07:47 GMT -6
Really Kindersley and Battlefords should both be in the AJHL. Flin Flon should be in the MJHL. This is all not going to come about unless the SJHL loses a backbone to the league, either a Weyburn or Kindersley. Why not address the problem head on. We can tippy toe around the problem, but it doesn't make sense to lose a franchise in any of these communities, so we need to talk a realignment. Imagine the marketing dimensions that it could take on having the two leagues work together. Imagine the two league lottery, as opposed to either or. Think of teams like Yorkton, Dauphin, Swan River, Melfort, Melville, Nipawin (to some extent), Way Way, Neepawa - all being able to travel to a game, and sleep in their own beds that night.
This idea of mine really could take on a life of its own, it could be as effective as the NAHL. The quality of hockey is going to improve, as would the level of recruitment.
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Feb 23, 2015 15:11:50 GMT -6
I agree with a few things 1) there will be a new league where the map will play very large part in its format 2) very few road trips will require an overnight stay. 3) It will include the AJHL, SJHL and the MJHL who will redefine its divisions based on geographic proximity. 4) The players will be entitled brats who will only report to communities around Saskatoon, Regina, Yorkton and Winnipeg. 5)Parents will be encouraged to call the coach and debate the role of their son-daughter on the team, Ie PP, PK and TOI and which line. 6) The age will be increased to 21 7) There will be 35% female players. 8)There will be no NCAA scholarships available. 9) refs will be locals, maybe even relatives of some of the players. 10)The rinks will be full on weekends as that is the only time when there will be games. 11) It will be outrageously successful as its inclusion will ramp up interest of fans. 12) The new league will lose some long time franchises. 13) and last but not least...it will be a game we don`t recognize as hockey. Just putting it out there....call me a visionary..... L4D
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Post by thegreat1 on Feb 23, 2015 16:49:13 GMT -6
The sad part is, Kindersley and Weyburn both have the biggest corporate areas, along with Estevan I guess. With all the oil/gas in those areas and bigger populations, it's pretty sad those teams have gone backwards, or are going backwards. Sounds to me like the board members/funderaisers got lazy and complacent. Especially in Weyburn, they don't have near the travel that Kindesley does. Rediculous if you ask me.
As for a new league, its interesting. Might be more expensive than one thinks when you factor in insurances and what not for leaving the province. ie) buslines, health care etc. I personally can't see it happening any time soon. It may be good for some teams, and horrible for some teams. In Melfort for example, every game is within 4 1/2hours, other than Estevan, so should they choose, they could be home almost every night if they want to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 10:36:27 GMT -6
Do you think if Yorkton And Humb both miss the playoffs it will create a more equal recruiting atmosphere across the league as the 2 power houses were able to talk about their past more than they will be next year?
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Post by swkot on Feb 24, 2015 11:21:29 GMT -6
Do you think if Yorkton And Humb both miss the playoffs it will create a more equal recruiting atmosphere across the league as the 2 power houses were able to talk about their past more than they will be next year? I doubt it will be a large factor, but really there will be no way to tell. Cassan is in his first year as GM, and despite being experienced it is Smith's first year in the Bronco's system. And on top of that, it is the first year of the draft.
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