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Post by Beaverstreet on Oct 6, 2015 15:12:41 GMT -6
I am totally assuming right now that your kid has missed a few assists on the the 'ole scoresheet?
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Post by hockeygawd on Oct 6, 2015 15:36:51 GMT -6
No disrespect RM2188, but Melville has a lot bigger things to worry about right now than individual player points. I know most games the ref's ask the players for numbers, they wouldn't short themselves on points, if anything they'd stretch it. Watch the ref, if he's not sure he'll skate over to the celebration and ask for numbers, and the players will give them numbers. At least that's how it was when I played.
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Post by Beaverstreet on Oct 6, 2015 16:06:07 GMT -6
I am willing to wager 25% or more are phantom assists
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 20:04:01 GMT -6
Much has been voiced about phantom points now i see people are concerned about not getting the points. SO if both be true then we need a new way to count stats. Maybe video replay would be accurate. But can any team afford it. I have a slightly different concern. There seems to be a lot of goals scored on the PP that don't get marked as PP goals, obviously it doesn't affect the teams points but it sure affects the special teams success rate.
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Post by sjhlguy on Oct 7, 2015 9:40:38 GMT -6
Yeah I don't think this is much of an issue. If guys miss points, they are allowed to ask their coach to file a request to get something changed too. If anything, guys get too many points for phantom assists, but nobody complains about that.
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Post by outsider on Oct 7, 2015 10:08:35 GMT -6
Yeah I don't think this is much of an issue. If guys miss points, they are allowed to ask their coach to file a request to get something changed too. If anything, guys get too many points for phantom assists, but nobody complains about that. Why would you complain about too many points? LOL. Coaches don't take too kind to players asking for their points. As I stated before, this is made very clear at the beginning of the year (on some teams). Happens in a lot of leagues. I guess we could ask the question, why don't players that get phantom assists step up to the plate and say it was wrong. Don't think that's going to happen.
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Post by sjhlguy on Oct 7, 2015 11:40:13 GMT -6
Yeah I don't think this is much of an issue. If guys miss points, they are allowed to ask their coach to file a request to get something changed too. If anything, guys get too many points for phantom assists, but nobody complains about that. Why would you complain about too many points? LOL. Coaches don't take too kind to players asking for their points. As I stated before, this is made very clear at the beginning of the year (on some teams). Happens in a lot of leagues. I guess we could ask the question, why don't players that get phantom assists step up to the plate and say it was wrong. Don't think that's going to happen. That's my point though. I don't think anyone needs to complain about the couple of points that might be missed because of all the phantom points that are given. And I think coaches usually bring up the points more than the players. A lot of coaches around the league want to make sure players get credit for their efforts.
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Post by outsider on Oct 7, 2015 11:59:48 GMT -6
Why would you complain about too many points? LOL. Coaches don't take too kind to players asking for their points. As I stated before, this is made very clear at the beginning of the year (on some teams). Happens in a lot of leagues. I guess we could ask the question, why don't players that get phantom assists step up to the plate and say it was wrong. Don't think that's going to happen. That's my point though. I don't think anyone needs to complain about the couple of points that might be missed because of all the phantom points that are given. And I think coaches usually bring up the points more than the players. A lot of coaches around the league want to make sure players get credit for their efforts. Well, if it was only a couple of points now and then that would be a different story. But it's much more than that. I have to disagree with your statement about a lot of coaches want to make sure players get credit. It takes a league, an owner, coaches, referees, and players to make good hockey. When all these people are not headed in the same direction, a train wreck ensues. Let the hockey weekend start.
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Post by JuniorAfan on Oct 7, 2015 20:01:09 GMT -6
Some junior leagues allow a team statistician to review scoring plays and make changes within a given period of time like a week or so. In recent years I have seen refs mess up more than half of the scoring plays in a game on numerous occasions. As we all know some players are a little more vocal with the refs after a scoring play while others assume they saw who passed the puck or scored the goal. I was told that some changes were made after video review following some regular season games in Melfort. This was not the case in playoffs though from some of the obvious scoring plays I witnessed. Some players said the team wasn't concerned about it during the the playoffs. Obviously there is a lot more to the game than goals and assists but big numbers do entice scouts to at least come and see what a player is like. I remember a scout a few years back saying that a particular defenceman on a team he had not even seen before was a non-factor. I asked why he thought so and his response was that he had very few points! Wow, there you go. I know a lot of teams keep plus/minus stats and although I believe they are more indicative of a player's contribution to the team, they are still only a small indication of what a player brings to the table. The best indicator of a player's value to his team is what his teammates and coaches have to say.
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Post by nofavorites on Oct 8, 2015 23:52:50 GMT -6
if scouts are at the showcase and watch the games they will get a good idea of what a player is all about. they will also see that points mean nothing in certain situations. For example some teams play 4 forwards on the power play. I have even seen 5 forwards on occasion. Does not do much for stats for defenseman on that team. And sometimes that is a total preference of the coach. It should not take away the value of that players worth to the team. Every coach has there style. Scouts sometimes pay attention to overinflated stats where some players have all there points on the power play and very little points five on five. Watched some very good players get overlooked specifically because a lack of points. There true value is watching what they do in the defensive zone in the corners, around the net, and on the penalty kill. I have also seen a player have sub par performance under a coach and then get traded and excel under the new coach.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 21:30:01 GMT -6
I am starting to think that we should read the SJHL top scorers list with the same approach as the CJHL top 20. It is just a guideline. Last week Kjargaard scored an empty netter Thudium got the point. Sat in Nipawin the scorers were the assisting players and vice versa. Sunday in Nipawin Spriggs was shafted on a very obvious assist, Bricker's lone KK goal was short handed and scrums in front of the net collected 2 assists. I guess if you are in the top 20 we should assume you are a top 30 scorer. For team percentages on the PP and the PK read it +/- 5% Maybe 20%. I guess it all matters little cause the winner of the last game should be obvious come April.
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Post by nofavorites on Oct 12, 2015 21:32:30 GMT -6
do we not strive to be the best (league) and if we do would we not want to strive to make sure that points are awarded accurately. we now have access to video that clearly shows whether a player gets a point or not. if we access to this we should be making things right. as said before phantom points over the course of a hockey season can make a difference to a players stats. we also shouldn't have to rely on a coach or gm to submit video, if it is on video (fasthockey) and clearly shows anyone should be able to send it in to sjhl statistician. refs can do a better job so this does not happen.
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Post by crazyhockey on Oct 13, 2015 8:30:16 GMT -6
I agree nofavorites, you would think with the technology today that all the goals could be reviewed. Watched Melfort Laronge game other night, Boyer had 4 assists. 2 of them he should not of had assists on as Laronge players had touched the puck since he last did. If you get the right refs it can really enhance your stats
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