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Post by boomer66 on May 12, 2016 16:53:47 GMT -6
"Signing" is a multi purpose word as far as I understand. There are several levels of commitment a player can "sign" to. Then there is CJHL rights and SJHL/ or ?HL rights. Depends what level he signed on to. But until they sign the full commitment they are free to walk to any league. Correct me if I am wrong but do you see much interleague trading of futures? I don't think so and this would be why. We don't need to trade when we can lure! If you watch the MJHL transaction page you'll see CJHL rights mentioned alot. I don't know what that means exactly but you don't see it on the SJHL transaction page. Now there is an opening for a comment on "that" page!!! The CJHL rights are usually for kids playing in another league ( WHL USHL etc). Other leagues can sign the graduating midget players if they have not signed an official CJHL card for their league. If a player played AAA midget and gets called up to play he only an affiliate player and his rights go back to the open market at the end of the season. In the SJ and MJ there is 50 player protected list to cover players within the league. Please correct me if this is incorrect.
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Post by stars123 on May 12, 2016 19:08:03 GMT -6
That's correct.
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Post by Dump-N-Chase on May 12, 2016 19:09:42 GMT -6
That's baffling. A team that will be rebuilding this offseason and also thin on the blueline, and they fail to sign a top defenseman prospect? They could/should have signed him way earlier in the year. Instead they waste a card on Wanner??? How does Lewgood still have a job?
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Post by stars123 on May 12, 2016 20:01:31 GMT -6
Sounds like Embree has committed to the Bruins for next season.. Sounds like he could be a good player. Not a defenceman tho like you had mentioned.
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Post by walleye18 on May 12, 2016 20:34:16 GMT -6
That's baffling. A team that will be rebuilding this offseason and also thin on the blueline, and they fail to sign a top defenseman prospect? They could/should have signed him way earlier in the year. Instead they waste a card on Wanner??? How does Lewgood still have a job? If you don't sign a player by Jan.10 isn't the next opportunity to do so June 1?
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Post by walleye18 on May 12, 2016 20:35:17 GMT -6
Sounds like Embree has committed to the Bruins for next season.. Sounds like he could be a good player. Not a defenceman tho like you had mentioned. What is Embree's first name? Where did he play this season?
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Post by stars123 on May 12, 2016 20:39:44 GMT -6
Sounds like Embree has committed to the Bruins for next season.. Sounds like he could be a good player. Not a defenceman tho like you had mentioned. What is Embree's first name? Where did he play this season? Isaac.. Delta hockey academy.. Saw it on twitter..
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Post by rookie on May 13, 2016 9:11:58 GMT -6
Anything you see or read are "commitments". No player can sign a card for the upcoming season until June.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:39:18 GMT -6
So, is this right, these kids in Bantam are travelling from BC to Calgary etc to play league games? Crazy. Can someone explain "Prep School" to me with some detail please?
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Post by stars123 on May 13, 2016 10:28:17 GMT -6
Basically a prep school is where kids go to school with a huge emphasis on hockey and academics.. Wilcox is a great example.. Some say as equivalent to AAAmajor midget. Lots go on to college.
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Post by SJfan15 on May 13, 2016 12:15:53 GMT -6
That's baffling. A team that will be rebuilding this offseason and also thin on the blueline, and they fail to sign a top defenseman prospect? They could/should have signed him way earlier in the year. Instead they waste a card on Wanner??? How does Lewgood still have a job? Yeah, this isn't how it works at all. Heerspink was playing on the Pat C's. The Bruins seemed to do everything right with him. He played with them in the playoffs, got games at the WCC. He can't officially sign anywhere until June 1st, so this is just a commitment for now. That's my understanding anyways. Everything I heard about the kid seemed like he was set to come here. Too bad. They didn't use a card on Wanner at all by the way. They Jr. B affiliated him. Didn't use a card at all.
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Post by left4deadinflfl on May 13, 2016 13:15:30 GMT -6
Life lessons 1) if you keep doing what you have been doing....you get the same result. 2) have realistic attainable goals that are sustainable 3) see the writing on the wall 4) if its broke...fix it 5) if you cant afford it...its not sustainable
Its broken...its needs to be fixed....suggestions 1) make it a younger league 2) close ranks and emphasize regional efficiencies 3) forget the NCAA 1 as the holy grail of recruiting for the 100 obvious reasons 4) start an outlaw league if necessary 5) make it sustainable...start by making it affordable. I think I could explain my rationale...but it would take too long and September gets closer every day. I am sure most of us don't care about the RBC this year. L4D
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Post by sjhlguy on May 13, 2016 14:30:57 GMT -6
What do you mean by "start by making it affordable"?
Make what affordable?
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Post by left4deadinflfl on May 17, 2016 12:42:35 GMT -6
I mean most team budgets sit around $700K, I mean most ticket prices are underwritten by corporate sponsors and board fund raising ( about 80% of your ticket price), I mean it wont be long before it costs 1 mil to run a team for a year. so keep doing what your doin if its so good, but my point is...its not sustainable based on expenses, something has to change or its done....sooner than later. L4D
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Post by sjhlguy on May 17, 2016 15:05:24 GMT -6
What would change though? Do you want ticket prices to go up? is that what you mean?
What would change in terms of expenses?
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Post by sjhldad on May 18, 2016 12:16:37 GMT -6
The day is soon to arrive where every CJHL teams charges its players the same fee to play on the team. It is already happening in Ontario. For example, the SJHL would implement a standard fee of $3000 per player to play. The team than uses this money to fund team operations. If a team tries to make under the table fee deals with individual players they would be disciplined by the league similar to what the WHL did to the Portland winter hawks a couple of seasons ago. The rational is that players benefit from the game (IF they get a scholarship) so they should pay some of the expenses. Another proposition that is around is that schools would have to pay a fee if a Junior players makes a college teams roster. But I cannot see this happening. Get ready parents more money to shell out soon.
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Post by melvillestadium4ever on May 18, 2016 15:09:57 GMT -6
Does the WHL currently pay a development fee to Jr. A teams for players who are pulled up by them? And do Jr. A teams have to pay out out a transfer fee for import players. Just curious...IMO I think your going in the wrong direction if you have players in Jr. A players having to pay a fee to play. Yes I do realize that it is costly to run a Jr. A team I get that, but if you start that... Where does it end. I think the comment of oh let's just get the parents to fork out more money is very ignorant. For years many parents have been paying and paying and more paying to get there kids to this level. They don't need to shell out more. Organizations need to do more to make sure they are covering there bills. I have read on different teams websites such as Melfort, Nipawin and Yorkton how much work they do to create revenue and team interest in there communities. Right here in Melville for example for a team that is in so much debt fundraising is almost non existant. I the only fault is the organization themselves for sitting on there hands and virtually doing nothing. Also while many teams are community run...many are privately owned for profit. I don't think it's right to charge a player who is creating entertainment for profit and not at least be compensated by having room and board covered. As far as I'm concerned the CHL is totally guilty of this. Teams are now worth millions and they make money on kids who fill there building, they get only room and board and a place to play without fees while owners profit millions. Again my opinion.
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Post by flinflon123 on May 18, 2016 22:35:44 GMT -6
What would change though? Do you want ticket prices to go up? is that what you mean? What would change in terms of expenses? Lefty, if I may offer my take on your answer? I think what lefty eluded to with "regional efficiencies" is that teams would play geographically closer games more often, and further less often. On the outlaw league, I've certainly been a proponent of scraping the sjhl and MJHL for a much friendly northern prairie and southern prarie junior hockey leagues!!! Logistically this would make a lot more sense, and removing the provincial boundaries could potentially improve both provinces talent pool, resulting in more scholarships. If it's broke fix it, nearing a 800k to operate a junior franchise is insane. Fix it now before it's gone
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Post by crazyhockey on May 19, 2016 6:25:22 GMT -6
The day is soon to arrive where every CJHL teams charges its players the same fee to play on the team. It is already happening in Ontario. For example, the SJHL would implement a standard fee of $3000 per player to play. The team than uses this money to fund team operations. If a team tries to make under the table fee deals with individual players they would be disciplined by the league similar to what the WHL did to the Portland winter hawks a couple of seasons ago. The rational is that players benefit from the game (IF they get a scholarship) so they should pay some of the expenses. Another proposition that is around is that schools would have to pay a fee if a Junior players makes a college teams roster. But I cannot see this happening. Get ready parents more money to shell out soon. The day you pay to play in Jr A will probably be the end of leagues like the SJHL. If a kid is wanting a college scholarship they will say to hell with paying to play and go play in the USHL or NAHL, that way they don't have to pay and keep college eligibility open. For the kids that come to Jr A because they got cut from Major Jr they will probably end up quitting hockey and moving on with life. Not sure what the answer is but paying to play isn't one of them, all that does is help out the kid with rich parents and allows them to buy the kids way onto the team
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Post by left4deadinflfl on May 19, 2016 9:16:00 GMT -6
Players are now paying to play in other Jr A leagues, just like some AAA midget programs, but your point about rich parents is well taken...but who's kids are going to every camp, every training session every hockey school, playing on every competitive rep team....that's right, their parents can afford it to send their kids to take advantage of every program. What did you think was happening. L4D
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Post by stars123 on May 22, 2016 7:30:53 GMT -6
Players in RBC that either played in SJHL or are from Saskatchewan:
Reed Gunville- West Kelowna Kylar Hope- West Kelowna Greg Moro- Lloydminster Alex Pernitsky-Lloydminster Stefan Wood- Lloydminster Kris Spriggs- Lloydminster Connor Odelien- Lloydminster
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Post by benthere on May 22, 2016 19:35:02 GMT -6
This is just general information right
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