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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:27:11 GMT -6
Doug has received an 8 game suspension. 3 games for verbal abuse of an official. 3 for breaking social media conduct and 2 for breaking coaches code of conduct. Waiting to hear more on this, but this is not a good time for Johnson to be sitting at home. The Hawks are playing well. Hopefully they can stay above .500 over the next 8 games. More to come...
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Post by backcheck on Dec 19, 2014 12:50:46 GMT -6
Did it have anything to do with the referee Kevin Shmyr? I have to wonder why the only two Hawk games Shmyr has worked this season were against Melfort? He spent a couple seasons with Melfort as a player and doesn't seem to be able to distance himself from the rivalry. Why ref those games, and only those games? It doesn't help his case that Melfort had a 13 to 6 advantage in power plays over those two games and were spotted a 7-1 advantage in the first two periods at the Cage in the last one. 3 of the 8 Hawk games during the suspension are against Melfort. Wonder if Shmyr will work them all?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:58:58 GMT -6
It is all about Shmyr, he should not be able to ref in a rivalry game with Melfort. This has gone on long enough. I will quote an email sent from Doug to hawks fans and the community of Nipawin. I don't believe this email was to be private. So I will let everyone have a read.
Hello Hawks Fans,
I hope this email finds you having a great day and looking forward to a wonderful holiday season. This season has been a very good one for the Hawks so far and we are excited about the second half of the year. The reason for this email is to try and get your help with an issue that I believe has been plaguing our team for many years, Kevin Shmyr. I know I am not the most friendly of coaches with the referee’s but it has been something that myself and the team have made a cognizant effort to remedy and I believe we have done a very good job with our discipline this year. However every time that Shmyr officiates a Hawks game everyone in our dressing room knows it is an uphill battle. This has been going on since I have been in Nipawin and it has been brought to the leagues attention year after year yet they still keep marching him out there and unless something changes you can bet we get him in playoffs. I am hoping that the best fans in Junior A hockey can help us out with this issue. If you believe that Shmyr has a bias against the Nipawin Hawks and feel the same way I do please email your beliefs and displeasure to our league president Bill Chow- bchow.sjhl@sasktel.net and our referee in chief Tracy Cook- cookref22@sasktel.net After years of dealing with this issue I firmly believe the only way to not see Shmyr again is to have our loyal fans voice their displeasure. If you do not agree with my thoughts on this referee that is fine but if you do let’s accomplish something and make sure the next time we play the Mustangs we have a level playing field. If you have any questions or concerns with this please feel free to contact me at any time. Have a great day, a wonderful holiday season and I hope you are all excited to watch the Hawks have a great second half of the season and a long playoff run.
Sincerely,
Doug Johnson Head Coach/GM Nipawin Hawks
I hope that Mr. Chow does get a long list of emails from unhappy fans. The last game was an absolute joke to watch.
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Post by nipahawk on Dec 19, 2014 14:00:39 GMT -6
What a joke this is. How is it that Mr. Blevins can put 1 foot up on the boards and scream at the ref and and call him a F%^&ing idiot (everyone in the rink could hear it) and get away with it. In his defence a penalty could have been called but it was not. So to me how can one coach be allowed and the other not?? I am not saying Shmyr is a bad refereee what I am saying is he does not like Doug and the Hawks - it is obvious. Send him somewhere else where he has no previous ties. The league should be able to figure that out you would think. As for the game itself - minus some bad calls - good game to watch and it would be nice to see these two teams meet in the playoffs. As for the social media violation - that is a joke as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 14:21:28 GMT -6
Had the same problem with Keith Macintosh. there is no way a Ex mustang or any ref from Melfort should ever do a game in of all places there rivalry town this is totally unexeptable . What's to matter with Tracy Cook ref in chief and Bill Chow are they that STUPID ( YES they are ) just hope Shmyr never set foot in the Nipawin Arena ever again Shymr YOU %^& SUCK and I hope you read this if you know how to read you ---- ass !
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Post by stars123 on Dec 19, 2014 16:01:45 GMT -6
What did dougy do?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 16:27:00 GMT -6
To be honest at the game, he was his normal self. Lots of yelling during the play, which is directed at players etc. There were more than a few questionable calls from my view he looked to be getting mad at Sh!t shmyr, but he didn't get ejected from the game, so I dont know how it came to a 3 game suspension of verbal abuse. And he said in a radio interview that there was a lot of phantom calls that he didn't see while watching the video. And I'm guessing that with the email to the fan base he received another few games. Don't think this is worth 8 games... this is just Shmyr being a complete nob.
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Post by stars123 on Dec 19, 2014 17:59:41 GMT -6
8 games is pretty serious.. One game this year Thoma lost it and walked to center ice and freak at an official.. He recieved 0 games for that..
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Post by nofavorites on Dec 19, 2014 18:58:08 GMT -6
i was at the game and mr johnson was pretty vocal towards the refs and in between periods. i am sure we are not getting all the information.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 1:43:09 GMT -6
The bench minor assessed in the Melfort game was for the verbal lashing a players spoke to Shmyr. Johnson did not get the bench minor. It seems to be an opportunity for Chow to execute his witch hunt. This isn't discipline, it is aggression focused on an individual. ipeecoy - what was MacIntosh exposed for doing? Johnson didn't violate the social media code of conduct. He sent a private email to people who have asked to be on his list. He received no penalty in the game so the suspensions should not be based on anything that took place during the game.
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Post by realitycanhurt on Dec 20, 2014 9:42:25 GMT -6
a PRIVATE email to his fan base asking people to email the league president and ref in chief making it social and email being media. What was done is wrong. If this was a life related issue and not hockey, I would hate to see repercussions. If the coach was a school teacher and went after another colleagues job with petition think of consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 10:19:13 GMT -6
Then our gov'ts and big corporations are guilty because we get mail and email every week asking for people to write their MP, or call the head office , or tell others about a certain action. This week some of you got an email from a coach asking you to share your feelings with the powers that be. All eggs in the same basket. They are asking people share their thoughts if their thoughts agree with the writer of the mail. Johnson was civil in the email re - posted , and I repeat re-posted on this forum. I don't think he crossed any lines. I admit there may be more to it, another email maybe! No hard feelings "reality" but you won't convince me this is social. If a third party wants to make it social, then the original writer is not guilty. The social media breach is completely fabricated. IF the entire hanging is based on the email shown above. The breach of coaching conduct is just as shady, IMO. I have not read that document. I have read the Social conduct pages.
I think he was correct in refraining from exploding in the game, saving it until after the game and cordially requesting help to make a point.
This isn't the only iconsistency in the SJHL. We have seen it for a few years now, a player does "this" and gets nothing in the game, 2 days later a player does "this" and no call, but 3 days later the league gives them a 3 game suspension. Perhaps they could save some money, layoff all the refs and hire video guys and a bunch of arm chair dudes to review the games and assess calls after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 10:30:15 GMT -6
. If the coach was a school teacher and went after another colleagues job with petition think of consequences. - the above may be correct in our soft world - and since we live in the soft world we do need to consider that. But most in our civilized world won't have a problem with a janitor exposing the incapabilities of a fireman or security guard in an elementary school. Perhaps if our collegaues were allowed and encouraged to call us on the carpet society would improve instead of decline to where cops won't arrest hit and run drivers because they live in the next town and those cops are busy, or school boards decide to not fail kids because it exposes the failures of their collegues / staff / education system. "Reality" - thanks for the post. This is reality - Typing these thoughts has shown me Johnson is correct on the big issue he often talks about postgame - The world has become soft. AND the SJHL has followed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 11:09:32 GMT -6
Couldn't agree with you anymore about everything going soft, well put.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 12:00:13 GMT -6
It all boils down to the fact that the game as improved and the officiating hasn't . First what a STUPID decision to send a former Melfort mustang player to do a Hawks vs Mustang game an I don't give a crap if some say that Shmyr is not a bias official cause we all no that's Bull . Chow and Cook should give there fat head a shake, and by the way go ahead an suspend me if you like because I think all three are A-- Holes .
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Post by myopinion on Dec 20, 2014 12:37:22 GMT -6
Being a mustang fan I hate agreeing with the Nipawin fans. I wasn't at the game so can't say whether reffing was bad or not however the league should know not to place a ref in that situation- if he calls a hawk penalty he is favoring mustangs if he calls penalty on melfort he is trying to show no favouritism- a no win situation. I know if positions were reversed the same conversations would be happening in melfort. It shouldn't be hard to schedule refs so conflicts like this don't happen. Schmyr and mackintosh are two of the better refs in the league but shouldn't do melfort games just to avoid situations like this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 13:09:00 GMT -6
well said myopinion that's all we are asking for pretty simple excepet to Ref in chief Cook
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Post by nofavorites on Dec 20, 2014 13:38:37 GMT -6
There is no privacy in the cyber world and once johnson hit send he was opening up the door. Many a person has made that mistake needed to take a cooling down period and approach the situation professionally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 15:50:07 GMT -6
I agree but hockey is a game of emotions sometime a cool down would help matters , and on the other end when everything Shmyr does a game he screws us over time after time . The ones that need to be repremended are the officials themselves ,they screw up just everone else . If any of you stripes are reading these post like I know us are you are more then welcome post on here . Last night Byblow did the game at the Cage an he ref'd it the way its suppose to done let the teams deside the game , not some bozo that wasn't good enough to play hockey "and made the team because he was a home town clown " and to get even became a ref . shame on you .
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Post by whatsyerdeal on Dec 20, 2014 19:19:22 GMT -6
Weighing in on this subject seems to be futile since the majority agree with what the coach did and that is just ridiculous. Can't imagine Bob Beatty or Dwight Macmillan doing something like what Mr. Johnson did. Different world perhaps but unprofessional no matter how you slice it. As far as officials working their hometown teams not sure that is a precedence that could be set in the SJHL. Many of the officials come from communities that have SJ teams. But if that's the case then all of the officials would have to be born in Saskatoon or Regina and if you are born in a town with an SJ team guess you are out. As for Shmyr and Macintosh to set the record straight Shmyr was born and raised in Saskatoon and I don't believe Macintosh has lived in Melfort since the mustangs moved to Melfort. At any rate people will have their opinions and as we know opinions are like a certain body part everyone has one. Some choose to keep it professional and some choose to publicly express their feelings hiding behind a key board. Merry Christmas to all.
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Post by backcheck on Dec 20, 2014 20:37:02 GMT -6
Shmyr played two seasons for Melfort. Shmyr reffed only two Nipawin games this year. One was at home and one on the road. Both were against Melfort. In your professional opinon doesn't that seem odd? Statistically speaking Oilers have 10 times better chance of winning The Cup this season.
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Post by whatsyerdeal on Dec 20, 2014 21:15:17 GMT -6
Who were the officials for all of the other Nipawin losses?
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Post by backcheck on Dec 20, 2014 22:52:38 GMT -6
I don't know who reffed the losses, why? The record with Shmyr is 1w 1l. It isn't about the record. It is about the reffing. PP 6 for and 13 against. Against rest of league 162 for and 156 against.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 22:59:01 GMT -6
Maybe not all ref are from Saskatoon or Regina but have a ex player from a team do and a close rivalry game should not ever happen and all the other games that Hawks lost at home this is not relevant in this matter,an as far as hiding behind a key board your doing the same thing .
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Post by realitycanhurt on Dec 20, 2014 23:37:43 GMT -6
I agree with almost all statement about the soft world in which we live. I also believe hockey is extremely emotional game the problem is nowadays the emotion is not left on ice no matter how much you want it to be. Everything you say or do will hit a website somewhere so once the horn blows on the ice you have to be in complete control of emotions and not let them take control of your conduct because at the end of the day consequences for emotional actions will rarely work out in your favor. 8 games and tarnished reputation gonna be worth Schmyr possibly not reffing Hawks VS Mustangs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 23:54:26 GMT -6
I don't know the exact timing of the email after the game but from what I can garner thee was lots of time to cool down.
Shmyr should be able to ref any team except Melfort.
How can you justify him being honored at an alumni weekend Sat and reffing the team Tuesday?
As far as nuimber of PP for each team, refs are not supposed to make things equal. They are supposed to call infractions and if one team commits more they should get more.
The league overlooked the potential problem with hiring a former player and not using caution is scheduling, and this all happened.
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Post by myopinion on Dec 21, 2014 2:09:13 GMT -6
Weighing in on this subject seems to be futile since the majority agree with what the coach did and that is just ridiculous. Can't imagine Bob Beatty or Dwight Macmillan doing something like what Mr. Johnson did. Different world perhaps but unprofessional no matter how you slice it. As far as officials working their hometown teams not sure that is a precedence that could be set in the SJHL. Many of the officials come from communities that have SJ teams. But if that's the case then all of the officials would have to be born in Saskatoon or Regina and if you are born in a town with an SJ team guess you are out. As for Shmyr and Macintosh to set the record straight Shmyr was born and raised in Saskatoon and I don't believe Macintosh has lived in Melfort since the mustangs moved to Melfort. At any rate people will have their opinions and as we know opinions are like a certain body part everyone has one. Some choose to keep it professional and some choose to publicly express their feelings hiding behind a key board. Merry Christmas to all. I still feel there is more information we are not hearing because that email doesn't seem to warrant 8 games. I don't for a minute condone what Johnson did and he should get something however I do agree someone with former ties to a team- as schmyr has with the mustangs shouldn't ref games involving them especially melfort against a Nipawin or humboldt Yorkton-Melville NB-Kindersley where emotions can overrule rational thought. I have watched schmyr do whl games and he is very competant there so just schedule him somewhere else and the defense of Johnson will not be as strong as it seems to be now. Then all we can say is a ref did a poor job and not that he is crooked
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 20:28:37 GMT -6
I would never be confused with being a supporter of the Hawks. So for that reason I will not take a shot at anything that could be causing them some stress. I would prefer to see Doug behind the bench when we play Nipawin as it makes for good television.
I can't help but think there is more to the eight game suspension than just that email. Is it a combination of things said in the media that someone at the league level has been keeping tabs on. I would think this email is more of an abuse of officials than a social media thing. So was this email and a few comments directed at the official enough for a few games. Then other comments made elsewhere a few more games. Then a couple more for a what the heck we are here already type of thing.
Once again I can't comment on anything negative towards our biggest rival. But I do think Kevin Shymr is a good official.
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Post by nofavorites on Dec 21, 2014 20:37:13 GMT -6
player with fort mcmurray oil barons suspended 365 days for abuse of official. last name ayotte. abuse of the officials will generally get you know where.
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Post by backcheck on Dec 21, 2014 21:57:34 GMT -6
SJHL tabs Tad Kozun to ref Dec 31 game between Nipawin and Melfort. Tad is excited about the opportunity to pick up some $$$ while on break and is certain he'll have no sub conscious bias. Melfort is thrilled to assist such a skilled former Hawks player in his transition to officiating and hopes to one day have all their games officiated by former Hawks.
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