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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 6:38:30 GMT -6
Integrity, accountability and morality versus friendship and winning
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 6:48:17 GMT -6
It wasn't his team that won the league it was Holcombs and Kulchinskys. While he did come in there and do his job, Rockie Zinger may have won with that mustang team last year. Please tell me why winning is everything? Yes, winning is key but developing players is just as important. After that Hollywood season the Mustangs had, a grand total of 0 got division one scholarships, if that trend continues kids might take note. That may be because the cream of the crop from last year is still playing... Anyone take that into consideration? Oh ya that's right it was the minions that showed up at WCC not Fauchoux, Robin, Wilton, Heath, Argent and Boomgaarden but maybe the water wasn't as bad there.
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Oct 2, 2015 7:25:35 GMT -6
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Post by stangmang on Oct 2, 2015 7:25:35 GMT -6
Heath not getting a scholarship was the only surprise out of that group to be honest, and may have had to do with injury issues, or maybe he didn't write the SATs either since he never accepted anything in the States. Fauchoux was fantastic in stretches but disappeared in stretches during his time as well. Boomgarden played dub. The others weren't exactly Div 1 material hockey players. Keep reaching for ammo guys.
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Oct 2, 2015 7:30:58 GMT -6
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Post by hockeygawd on Oct 2, 2015 7:30:58 GMT -6
That may be because the cream of the crop from last year is still playing... Anyone take that into consideration? Oh ya that's right it was the minions that showed up at WCC not Fauchoux, Robin, Wilton, Heath, Argent and Boomgaarden but maybe the water wasn't as bad there. To be fair boomgarden had whl experience so he couldn't get a scholly. Wilton chose to go to school in Canada vs div iiii so he could get the degree he want, same with Heath. Fauchoux, I'm shocked he didn't get a div I, but non the less took a div iii. And argent no disrespect to him at all but let's be serious, he didn't play an ncaa style game. Robin is in the ncaa too with a div iii. I bet there could be up to 4 div i in Melfort this year. Minion line, if Mayan can improve his skating and boutin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 7:59:13 GMT -6
The only board members who left the board over the summer were people who's term had come to an end. No one, not even one person quit the Hawks board. They only have a 2 year term on the Hawks board and they have 12 board members - If you can do any math - which I have obviously failed at earlier on the "bad" thread of ice surfaces - 1/2 would leave each year. Has nothing to do with the Pres or the Coach. All except one who dropped off the board last year still help at the rink every game night. No bad feelings there. They other I don't know the situation of - haven't seen them anywhere in town - maybe moved away???
I can could give you a specific name of a parent who was asked if their kid would return to play for a coach who did what he did at the WCC. Unless that parent is making a rumor - but why would they - their kid returned so the parent wasn't trying to out the coach, therefore wouldn't start a rumor.
And don't be so defensive of your mustangs - the comment about low numbers qualified for Div 1 is league wide. It wasn't a jab at Melfort. Actually they probably had more 20's to be considered than anyone - here is the slam - cause they had more 20's LOL.
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Oct 2, 2015 8:09:59 GMT -6
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Post by stangmang on Oct 2, 2015 8:09:59 GMT -6
Sure, give me that name. I'd be curious who actually called, as in whether it was a board member, a nosy person from the community, or... Dwight. And if it was phrased like that.
That's not how I heard it went down in Nipawin, reliable sources told me they hated Doug and Snaith there so that's what I choose to believe. See how dumb rumours can be?
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Oct 2, 2015 13:24:24 GMT -6
Post by flinflon123 on Oct 2, 2015 13:24:24 GMT -6
what the heck happen at WCC? Someone leak the bean can here, the suspense is killing me LOL
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Oct 2, 2015 16:42:23 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Oct 2, 2015 16:42:23 GMT -6
There is more too this Then people know i agree. With Dwight that is. There was things he was doing that were a concern for the board as well. Such as speaking with players on the team about his issue with the coach and parents. It was rediculous. He got his way getting Holcomb fired, and hasn't with Blevins so I'm glad he quit. There's no smoking gun with the WCC rumours either. Just pissed off parents who's kids had been scratched for a month. Everyone needs to grow up on this topic. Family's and kids are involved. so are you saying pissed off parents who's kids had been scratched for a month would jeopardize there kids hockey career on a rumour. after reaching this level I believe most parents/players understand the power a coach/gm could impact there hockey career. now having said that I would believe there would be information shared among parents and players. I can't speak for this situation but it has been mentioned earlier about FACTS. I do believe all players who were at the WCC came back with exception of Hermary (college) Bricker (trade). I would expect that if there was any phone calls made it was just coaches/gm's checking in with the players. If any of them asked a player for feedback on a rumour (whatever it is) they would be putting that player in a difficult position and his professionalism/conduct should be brought into question. If this is a concern then the organization needs to address it immediately.
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Oct 2, 2015 16:51:52 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Oct 2, 2015 16:51:52 GMT -6
This subject has gone way overboard.. Time to lock this one up.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:10:56 GMT -6
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Post by AAA hockey fan on Oct 2, 2015 17:10:56 GMT -6
This subject has gone way overboard.. Time to lock this one up. I agree. If anyone has any concerns about what may or may not have happened involving certain individuals then have the courage to approach those individuals face to face and discuss things.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:25:21 GMT -6
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Post by AAA hockey fan on Oct 2, 2015 17:25:21 GMT -6
Heath not getting a scholarship was the only surprise out of that group to be honest, and may have had to do with injury issues, or maybe he didn't write the SATs either since he never accepted anything in the States. Fauchoux was fantastic in stretches but disappeared in stretches during his time as well. Boomgarden played dub. The others weren't exactly Div 1 material hockey players. Keep reaching for ammo guys. I suppose we all have our opinions of the type of player we prefer based on our hockey experiences as players and coaches . In the end, the opinions of college scouts & coaches ultimately decide on who is "offered" Div 1 or 3 scholarships. Some great players have chosen not to go to school despite numerous offers simply because they are not interested in university life. Heath was a decent player but I I can't say that it was a surprise that he was the only player not offered a Div 1 opportunity.
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Oct 2, 2015 17:28:46 GMT -6
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Post by AAA hockey fan on Oct 2, 2015 17:28:46 GMT -6
Heath not getting a scholarship was the only surprise out of that group to be honest, and may have had to do with injury issues, or maybe he didn't write the SATs either since he never accepted anything in the States. Fauchoux was fantastic in stretches but disappeared in stretches during his time as well. Boomgarden played dub. The others weren't exactly Div 1 material hockey players. Keep reaching for ammo guys. I suppose we all have our opinions of the type of player we prefer based on our hockey experiences as players and coaches . In the end, the opinions of college scouts & coaches ultimately decide on who is "offered" Div 1 or 3 scholarships. Some great players have chosen not to go to school despite numerous offers simply because they are not interested in university life. Heath was a decent player but I I can't say that it was a surprise that he was the only player not offered a Div 1 opportunity. Sorry, what I meant to say was that I disagree that Heath not getting a Div 1 offer was the only surprise.
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Oct 2, 2015 19:35:05 GMT -6
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Post by thegreat1 on Oct 2, 2015 19:35:05 GMT -6
There is more too this Then people know i agree. With Dwight that is. There was things he was doing that were a concern for the board as well. Such as speaking with players on the team about his issue with the coach and parents. It was rediculous. He got his way getting Holcomb fired, and hasn't with Blevins so I'm glad he quit. There's no smoking gun with the WCC rumours either. Just pissed off parents who's kids had been scratched for a month. Everyone needs to grow up on this topic. Family's and kids are involved. so are you saying pissed off parents who's kids had been scratched for a month would jeopardize there kids hockey career on a rumour. after reaching this level I believe most parents/players understand the power a coach/gm could impact there hockey career. now having said that I would believe there would be information shared among parents and players. I can't speak for this situation but it has been mentioned earlier about FACTS. I do believe all players who were at the WCC came back with exception of Hermary (college) Bricker (trade). I would expect that if there was any phone calls made it was just coaches/gm's checking in with the players. If any of them asked a player for feedback on a rumour (whatever it is) they would be putting that player in a difficult position and his professionalism/conduct should be brought into question. If this is a concern then the organization needs to address it immediately. Yes. And it wasn't parents who's kids are back. 20 year olds parents. Two sets in particular. Enough about this though. Time to move on as stars 123 suggests
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 0:45:54 GMT -6
That's not how I heard it went down in Nipawin, reliable sources told me they hated Doug and Snaith there so that's what I choose to believe. See how dumb rumours can be? The last board member whose term expired this past sumer was in the rink tonight. Can't see why they would come to a game if they hate the coach and the president. All other board members from the previous year are still active in helping the club. I understand some people do it for the team but I can't imagine anyone doing it for the team if they HATE both the pres and the coach. And really - does anyone really hate anyone - I can't honestly say I hate Melfort. I hope they loose every game and loose money and loose respect in the community but really - HATE - NO! Hawkey - and that is how it is really supposed to be spelled - it was changed by the same people who added OTL and SL to the record charts - wouldn't be the same without Melfort down the road.
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Oct 3, 2015 2:20:19 GMT -6
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Post by hockeygawd on Oct 3, 2015 2:20:19 GMT -6
That's not how I heard it went down in Nipawin, reliable sources told me they hated Doug and Snaith there so that's what I choose to believe. See how dumb rumours can be? The last board member whose term expired this past sumer was in the rink tonight. Can't see why they would come to a game if they hate the coach and the president. All other board members from the previous year are still active in helping the club. I understand some people do it for the team but I can't imagine anyone doing it for the team if they HATE both the pres and the coach. And really - does anyone really hate anyone - I can't honestly say I hate Melfort. I hope they loose every game and loose money and loose respect in the community but really - HATE - NO! Hawkey - and that is how it is really supposed to be spelled - it was changed by the same people who added OTL and SL to the record charts - wouldn't be the same without Melfort down the road. [ Just when I thought you'd turned the corner and started making intelligent comments you spew garbage like this again. It's one thing to not like a team, a rival or whatever. But to wish out loud that they fail in their community, and loose money might be dumbest thing I've read on this forum. How could that be good for anyone? The community, the league etc. Give your head a shake would ya
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Oct 3, 2015 8:28:24 GMT -6
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Post by netyme on Oct 3, 2015 8:28:24 GMT -6
The last board member whose term expired this past sumer was in the rink tonight. Can't see why they would come to a game if they hate the coach and the president. All other board members from the previous year are still active in helping the club. I understand some people do it for the team but I can't imagine anyone doing it for the team if they HATE both the pres and the coach. And really - does anyone really hate anyone - I can't honestly say I hate Melfort. I hope they loose every game and loose money and loose respect in the community but really - HATE - NO! Hawkey - and that is how it is really supposed to be spelled - it was changed by the same people who added OTL and SL to the record charts - wouldn't be the same without Melfort down the road. [ Just when I thought you'd turned the corner and started making intelligent comments you spew garbage like this again. It's one thing to not like a team, a rival or whatever. But to wish out loud that they fail in their community, and loose money might be dumbest thing I've read on this forum. How could that be good for anyone? The community, the league etc. Give your head a shake would ya Someguy is just a bit anxious because the Hawks actually have a chance winning the league this year... But he also knows Melfort will shatter those dreams like they have for the past fifteen years
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 9:11:36 GMT -6
netyme - gawd - relax boys - it was just a bit of an exaggeration to fuel the rivalry - read the last line - Melfort hawkey is good for Nipawin Hawkey. The clubs make money off each other and attract marginal fans to those head to head games. You mis read the joke. Sorry "loose respect" may have been too much. The point was I don't hate them even if I don't want them to win and I don't hate presidents even if they don't make the decisions I like. I'll try to be politically correct for y'all in the future.
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Post by netyme on Oct 3, 2015 10:46:41 GMT -6
netyme - gawd - relax boys - it was just a bit of an exaggeration to fuel the rivalry - read the last line - Melfort hawkey is good for Nipawin Hawkey. The clubs make money off each other and attract marginal fans to those head to head games. You mis read the joke. Sorry "loose respect" may have been too much. The point was I don't hate them even if I don't want them to win and I don't hate presidents even if they don't make the decisions I like. I'll try to be politically correct for y'all in the future. Wasn't really getting worked up, just stating the fact that you are really excited about your team this year.. just not so excited we will womp yeah like we always do!
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Oct 3, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -6
Post by sjhockeyfan on Oct 3, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -6
Wow quite a thread going here. Just read through it and I have learned that winning is everything on the ice, whining is everything on the forum, and netyme has the greatest Avatar going. As for Dwight stepping away the guy has cattle and a full time job. I am sure his decade and a half in the SJHL has worn him down. Thank the man for his contributions to the Hawks and Mustangs, congratulate him on his successes and move on. I'm sure the Mustangs will. Move on and roll over the Hawks in the process.
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Oct 3, 2015 16:07:51 GMT -6
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Post by bronco90 on Oct 3, 2015 16:07:51 GMT -6
The absence of Div. 1 scholarships last season is a little confusing considering the success of the Mustangs but it seems to be the trend in the SJ. Although none of the 10 graduating players accepted a Div. 1 deal, it's unclear if any were offered any opportunities. Fauchoux would be the forward having the best opportunity especially considering his great 2 way play & playoff MVP performance (along with Palmer). I suspect inconsistency may have hurt him. Hyrsky had the speed & shot but lacked the hockey smarts to play Div 1. Robin had the skill but very little grit & intensity. Wilton had the grit and intensity. He was chosen as the Mustang best defensive forward but his lack of offensive ability hurt his chances. Argent had the biggest heart on the team blocking endless shots and working tirelessly but his lack of speed and skill was fairly evident. Serafini's leadership was second to none but his skill level kept him out of the line-up most nights.
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Oct 3, 2015 16:24:24 GMT -6
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Post by bronco90 on Oct 3, 2015 16:24:24 GMT -6
On the Mustang blue line, Boomgarden was not eligible for a Div 1 scholarship because he did play in the WHL. Despite his size he was not able to stick it out in the dub. If he could not play in the dub, he certainly can't play div 1 hockey which is obviously a superior level. He played a physical game but his hIs hockey IQ was sub par and his feet were a little too slow at times. Lemire led the d core in points and plus minus. He was also chosen as the team's most valuable d-man. Despite his intelligence, his lack of size and physical play prevented him from catching the attention of div 1 scouts. Aasen was a gritty, agile d-man but his small stature and his lack of composure were his nemesis. As for Heath, he was feisty, physical and agile. He was a good, quiet leader that led by example but his decision making was not quite where it had to be.
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Oct 3, 2015 16:40:39 GMT -6
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Post by bronco90 on Oct 3, 2015 16:40:39 GMT -6
As for this year's crop of 20 olds, I see Frei as having the best div 1 chance. He is feisty, smart, fast, and a great leader. Mayan was not chosen as league MVP for nothing. He is argueably the smartest player in the league and was Mustang plus-minus leader last season. His speed has also improved. Boyer has a good chance at an Ivy league scholarship. He is very smart and feisty as well as being one of the best passers in the league. He is also an A student receiving the academic award the last 2 seasons. Palmer was incredible in last year's playoffs sharing the SJ MVP award with Fauchoux and will probably get some serious looks from Div 1 schools this fall. On D, Young was chosen last year's best defensive d-Man and continues to play a solid two way game logging lots of ice time. He may need to put up better numbers to get Div 1 offers. Bergren's offensive abilities were evident last season and his leadership this season has been huge. However, his physical play is lacking and he will have to cut down on the give aways if he hopes to get the attention of the scouts.
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Oct 3, 2015 16:55:30 GMT -6
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Post by mintonation on Oct 3, 2015 16:55:30 GMT -6
Think what I can take out of this is that whatever the debate was in this thread it's about two very good teams ....great rivalry and passionate fans .....unlike what I'm seeing in Melville and Yorkton...two teams that are winless....don't appear to have any direction....and fans who are simply don't care about them anymore....very sad ......Melville lost 74,000 last year..there projecting this yrs could be well over 100,000....never mind making the playoffs...I hope this team just makes it to next season....
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Oct 3, 2015 20:12:51 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Oct 3, 2015 20:12:51 GMT -6
On the Mustang blue line, Boomgarden was not eligible for a Div 1 scholarship because he did play in the WHL. Despite his size he was not able to stick it out in the dub. If he could not play in the dub, he certainly can't play div 1 hockey which is obviously a superior level. He played a physical game but his hIs hockey IQ was sub par and his feet were a little too slow at times. Lemire led the d core in points and plus minus. He was also chosen as the team's most valuable d-man. Despite his intelligence, his lack of size and physical play prevented him from catching the attention of div 1 scouts. Aasen was a gritty, agile d-man but his small stature and his lack of composure were his nemesis. As for Heath, he was feisty, physical and agile. He was a good, quiet leader that led by example but his decision making was not quite where it had to be. lemire led the d core in points. young led the d core in plus minus.
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Oct 3, 2015 21:34:20 GMT -6
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Post by JuniorAfan on Oct 3, 2015 21:34:20 GMT -6
According to sources close to the team Mayan and Lemire were tied going into the final game and Mayan won the +/- on the last day. Young was right up there too. All in the +30 ish range. He and Lemire were partners so it makes sense that they would be close.
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Oct 3, 2015 21:51:56 GMT -6
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Post by AAA hockey fan on Oct 3, 2015 21:51:56 GMT -6
According to sources close to the team Mayan and Lemire were tied going into the final game and Mayan won the +/- on the last day. Young was right up there too. All in the +30 ish range. He and Lemire were partners so it makes sense that they would be close. I think your right about plus minus. As far as team awards go I was told they were voted on by players, coaches and board. That's a real good idea. There ones that really know whats up with the team and appreciate what everybody does for the team.
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Oct 3, 2015 22:27:04 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Oct 3, 2015 22:27:04 GMT -6
Braydon macdonald traded to portage terriers for tyler jeanson and futures.
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Oct 4, 2015 6:44:00 GMT -6
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Post by thegreat1 on Oct 4, 2015 6:44:00 GMT -6
Braydon macdonald traded to portage terriers for tyler jeanson and futures. I heard he walked away from the team. Figured he was better then a third line guy. By looking at hockey db jeanson has put up some big numbers, currently in the US though. Anyone out there know this guys story?
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Oct 4, 2015 21:25:53 GMT -6
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Post by Phantom Stallion on Oct 4, 2015 21:25:53 GMT -6
Wow, all I was saying is that the Stangs are going to win it all again this year. Solid team. Didn't mean to get everyone all fired up. STANGS !!!!!!! Blevins is a beast by the way, he is identical to coach Bombay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 22:44:19 GMT -6
Where is Yaremchuk? Haven't seen his name on the game sheet for past 3 games. Where is Warekntine - haven't seen his name for 2.
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