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Post by stars123 on May 3, 2016 23:15:44 GMT -6
As I had said previously I asked a scout from a div 1 school at the Telus cup regionals in Saskatoon if he was gonna come watch sjhl and basically his response was that he didn't have time as he was going to catch some AJHL games.. This really bothered me as I have seen this tremendous league taking a step back the last while.. Today may of proved that scouts statement as no SJHL players were drafted in the USHL draft, and Appearantly AJHL had the most players drafted from Canadian junior A with 12... The SJHL was the only western Canadian league to not have a player drafted.. The 2 SJHL teams are the 2 weakest at the western Canadian cup... Until this league gets more scholarships it's gonna be looked at as a second tier league to the others.. SJHL used to be stronger than the MJHL, MJHL won RBC cup last season and had players drafted this year in the USHL draft.. Come on SJHL we need to do something about this league before it takes a huge nose dive....
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Post by sjhldad on May 4, 2016 9:48:37 GMT -6
I have had two of my boys play in the AJHL and the SJHL. From their experiences, by their own admission the SJHL is a much lower calibre league. The top one or two teams could be comparable, however, the overall competition and the skill level in the SJHL is much weaker. The SJHL has some great venues and fans but from a players perspective if you want a D1 scholarship you stay away from the league. Now all the SJHL fan faithful will point out the few D1's that have been given this year but they are few. Scouts from the NCAA have limited budgets so to get the biggest bang for their buck they scout the BCHL and the AJHL ,OJHL and the USHL. The players know this and so it makes it very difficult to keep the good ones home. Solutions, start working with the NCAA so that they will scout the league (pay their expenses) and when your kids are discovered then the tide could be turned. How many kids were exposed at the SJHL's combine? Maybe one or two. The showcase must be that a showcase! This is a league issue that needs to be addressed or it will just continue to attract players from the other leagues that cannot compete in their home provinces.
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Post by crazyhockey on May 4, 2016 10:49:54 GMT -6
I have had two of my boys play in the AJHL and the SJHL. From their experiences, by their own admission the SJHL is a much lower calibre league. The top one or two teams could be comparable, however, the overall competition and the skill level in the SJHL is much weaker. The SJHL has some great venues and fans but from a players perspective if you want a D1 scholarship you stay away from the league. Now all the SJHL fan faithful will point out the few D1's that have been given this year but they are few. Scouts from the NCAA have limited budgets so to get the biggest bang for their buck they scout the BCHL and the AJHL ,OJHL and the USHL. The players know this and so it makes it very difficult to keep the good ones home. Solutions, start working with the NCAA so that they will scout the league (pay their expenses) and when your kids are discovered then the tide could be turned. How many kids were exposed at the SJHL's combine? Maybe one or two. The showcase must be that a showcase! This is a league issue that needs to be addressed or it will just continue to attract players from the other leagues that cannot compete in their home provinces. Couldn't agree more. There are some talented players in the SJHL and this year have been some DIV 1 scholarships handed out but the league is just not as highly scouted. You see players with not near point totals (I know points isn't everything) in alberta or BC and they have div 1 scholarships. How bad is it when the team of Brooks has twice as many DIV 1 scholarships as the SJHL league |
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Post by swkot on May 4, 2016 11:20:51 GMT -6
The question I need to ask is: What has changed in the last 15 years and is it really a problem per se or do we just perceive it to be? I'd imagine the league is still turning out roughly the same number of scholarships in proportion to other Junior A leagues in Canada. Top teams are still competitive on a national level. The league is at a geographical and financial disadvantage compared to BC, Alberta and Ontario. Look at the financial backing in BC, their top 4 teams draw a larger gate revenue than the entire SJHL combined. Look at the number of teams per capita, the SJHL and MJHL would be much higher than out west. It waters down the talent pool, especially when our elite players are drawn west and we have no competitive or financial advantage to draw the top players in the west here. It's just status quo, maybe I'm part of the reason why, but I'm yet to see any realistic ideas to change this "problem".
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Post by bazzer on May 8, 2016 10:39:13 GMT -6
On the div1 scholarship front, SJ 10, Aj 51, BCHL 125, that tells a story
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Post by stangmang on May 8, 2016 11:20:56 GMT -6
That's absolutely insane. That tells the story for sure.
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Post by benthere on May 8, 2016 16:03:21 GMT -6
Before we all get carried away and start listening to the speel from BC and Alb how great the leagues are and how many scholarships are awarded maybe look at the birthplace of the kids getting scholarships. American colleges want Americans and righfully so so i looked at number of americans playing on top teams . So Chilliwak had 7 Kelowna Vernon and Penticton 6 each not sure how many in total play in BC so how many of scholarshps are for Amercian kids who had them before they went to junior or given to americans because they are. Not sure of numbers but if we give 4 spots to each team that is 70 americans playing in BC . What would be the outcry it local kids in sjhl were cut to give americans a spot Sorry i dont wanna sound like the fool Don Cherry but it would be interesting what the numbers are out of 125
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Post by benthere on May 8, 2016 16:20:40 GMT -6
We all know junior runs in cycles so lets look since centenial cup and royal bank cup started here are provinces with most wins
BC 12
Sask 10
Alb 8
ONt 6
Man 3
So really over the years are we that far behind
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Post by myopinion on May 8, 2016 16:44:49 GMT -6
Before we all get carried away and start listening to the speel from BC and Alb how great the leagues are and how many scholarships are awarded maybe look at the birthplace of the kids getting scholarships. American colleges want Americans and righfully so so i looked at number of americans playing on top teams . So Chilliwak had 7 Kelowna Vernon and Penticton 6 each not sure how many in total play in BC so how many of scholarshps are for Amercian kids who had them before they went to junior or given to americans because they are. Not sure of numbers but if we give 4 spots to each team that is 70 americans playing in BC . What would be the outcry it local kids in sjhl were cut to give americans a spot Sorry i dont wanna sound like the fool Don Cherry but it would be interesting what the numbers are out of 125 Also we should see how many of these players have scholarships before they have played a junior a game. Schools try to get the players to a place they can keep track of all of them in one place |
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Post by klipperman on May 9, 2016 16:10:45 GMT -6
Before we all get carried away and start listening to the speel from BC and Alb how great the leagues are and how many scholarships are awarded maybe look at the birthplace of the kids getting scholarships. American colleges want Americans and righfully so so i looked at number of americans playing on top teams . So Chilliwak had 7 Kelowna Vernon and Penticton 6 each not sure how many in total play in BC so how many of scholarshps are for Amercian kids who had them before they went to junior or given to americans because they are. Not sure of numbers but if we give 4 spots to each team that is 70 americans playing in BC . What would be the outcry it local kids in sjhl were cut to give americans a spot Sorry i dont wanna sound like the fool Don Cherry but it would be interesting what the numbers are out of 125 |
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Post by klipperman on May 9, 2016 16:11:26 GMT -6
USA born players getting scholarships in the BCHL is 53
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Post by stars123 on May 9, 2016 19:17:43 GMT -6
If that's whose getting scholarships... We need more Americans in the league then... Have to stay competive with the other leagues.. Americans are US Citizens and don't have to pay the huge fees Canadians do for being out of country students...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 19:42:25 GMT -6
6 Americans on a team like Nipawin might not matter since the Hawks average about point5 local kids per year in the last 10ish +/- years. But many teams have 6 locals each year and who would want a local watching from the outside in. And it seems that those locals are doing the job. Do you think if the Mustangs had 6 Americans they would still be playing hockey?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 19:44:40 GMT -6
American Born in the Sj is around 28, about half of BC with 10% of the scholarships. I don't claim to know the solution to this phenomanon, just sharing some numbers
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Post by stars123 on May 9, 2016 21:03:04 GMT -6
American Born in the Sj is around 28, about half of BC with 10% of the scholarships. I don't claim to know the solution to this phenomanon, just sharing some numbers Hers some numbers as well.. there are 19 USA players from the 5 teams at the RBC... I believe most of them have div 1 scholarships... West Kelowna -6 Carleton place Canadians- 5 Brooks Bandits- 4 Lloydminster Bobcats- 4 Trenton Golden Hawks-0 |
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Post by SJfan15 on May 9, 2016 21:43:11 GMT -6
I think the biggest thing was pointed out above:
A large majority of the kids in Alberta or BC already have scholarships before they go to a team. This doesn't mean a whole lot more kids get scholarships while playing in the BCHL or AJHL. For example, Charlie Manley with the Bruins had a scholarship before he came to the Bruins, not many in the SJHL do.
A lot of the BCHL kids especially usually have something in place before they go to that team. Chances are, they choose to go to the BCHL or AJHL in hopes of playing in a bit bigger market or (in some cases, lets be honest) getting some money out of it under the table *cough* *Penticton* *cough*.
Anyways, I can't disagree that on paper it doesn't look great, but overall, the SJHL is an older league. Has been for a while, and thats in large part due to the quality of Midget AAA teams we have in the province. Players get poached from the SMAAAHL all the time.
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Post by stars123 on May 9, 2016 21:52:31 GMT -6
Your right the SMAAAHL is one of the best in Canada.. Why not take advantage of it?? Make a rule that every team must have 3 under agers every year.... This is what what I mean.. The league keeps staying status quo. If there's a problem the league needs to think outside the box and try things and see the results..
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Post by SJfan15 on May 9, 2016 22:39:33 GMT -6
I agree, that would probably help keep the younger kids in Saskatchewan too I would imagine. For example, Owen Sillinger left for Penticton. If he would've been offered a Jr A spot at 17 instead, out of necessity, would he have stayed in AAA or played with whatever team had his rights, therefore staying in Saskatchewan?
Second point: Do you then decrease the number of 20 year olds per team? Or leave it at 8?
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Post by walleye18 on May 10, 2016 8:26:21 GMT -6
Any word out there on any 98's that are planning to play out of province instead of the SJ this fall?
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Post by stangmang on May 10, 2016 9:35:07 GMT -6
And then do you have to play the 17s every night? I don't think it would do them any good to have a year of being scratches either. I think you'd have to keep the 20s to at least what you can play at the WCC and RBC to remain competitive in those tourneys too.
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Post by sjhlguy on May 10, 2016 10:49:01 GMT -6
That's the biggest reason the AAA program is successful. The 17 year olds get to play and get to dominate. Would pushing them up into the SJHL develop them better? I dunno.
On the 98's, I've heard some rumblings from my buddies in Regina that Ty Barnstable is probably heading out. He played a game or two with Estevan, and his older brother plays there.
Haven't heard any others yet though, and that's not even something I would bet on (my friends are very jumpy when it comes to rumours).
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Post by walleye18 on May 10, 2016 11:47:54 GMT -6
That's the biggest reason the AAA program is successful. The 17 year olds get to play and get to dominate. Would pushing them up into the SJHL develop them better? I dunno. On the 98's, I've heard some rumblings from my buddies in Regina that Ty Barnstable is probably heading out. He played a game or two with Estevan, and his older brother plays there. Haven't heard any others yet though, and that's not even something I would bet on (my friends are very jumpy when it comes to rumours). I did hear that Ripplinger from Regina might go to BC. |
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Post by walleye18 on May 10, 2016 22:05:05 GMT -6
Just saw on Twitter that 98 Jake Heerspink from Regina has committed to Salmon Arm in BC. Estevan lost a good prospect.
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Post by nofavorites on May 11, 2016 10:41:13 GMT -6
they need something in place that if a player is listed on a teams 50 man protected list another out of province team cant pluck him away for nothing. a lot of work goes into watching a player and for some team to sweep in and take him with no compensation is ridiculous.
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Post by walleye18 on May 11, 2016 11:05:47 GMT -6
Heerspink just played for Estevan in the WCC last week. That has gotta sting for Estevan!
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Post by SJfan15 on May 11, 2016 11:17:27 GMT -6
Losing Heerspink is a big blow, potentially losing Barnstable too would suck. Those were going to be 2 big rookies for the Bruins next season and moving forward.
Wonder who else is getting poached and if they will end up back here like Tesarowski did last year? Another blow to the Bruins.
Sheesh.
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Post by benthere on May 11, 2016 11:32:28 GMT -6
It is 2016 and kids now days are more mobile then there parents and grandparents so going here or there to play hockey not a big deal. I am sure lots go with promise of playing first line power play penalty kill etc etc etc and find out 10 others were recruited same way and thus no room for all. I looked at 4 teams in sjhl last year roster 2 in north 2 in south and they had 4,4,3 9 players from bc so guess what folks some come back the other way and you can agrue all day about skill going or coming either way all teams recruit to there scouting dept placements. I dont think we lose a whole lot of sleep over where a player prefers to play after midget teams all try to recruit the best so win some lose some nothing changes, kids have choices and they use them so good for them
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Post by Dump-N-Chase on May 11, 2016 20:25:28 GMT -6
Am I missing something? If Heerspink was on Estevans list how could Salmon Arm claim him?
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Post by walleye18 on May 11, 2016 21:21:22 GMT -6
I believe that if teams do not sign these kids to play as 17 year olds they are free to go out of province as 18 year olds. Players cannot play out of province at 17.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 22:39:14 GMT -6
"Signing" is a multi purpose word as far as I understand. There are several levels of commitment a player can "sign" to. Then there is CJHL rights and SJHL/ or ?HL rights. Depends what level he signed on to. But until they sign the full commitment they are free to walk to any league. Correct me if I am wrong but do you see much interleague trading of futures? I don't think so and this would be why. We don't need to trade when we can lure! If you watch the MJHL transaction page you'll see CJHL rights mentioned alot. I don't know what that means exactly but you don't see it on the SJHL transaction page.
Now there is an opening for a comment on "that" page!!!
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