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Post by blackandyellow on Mar 9, 2024 11:17:26 GMT -6
Good discussion. Now everyone please contribute what you think should be acceptable trash-talk topics or phrases. What is left for our players to use? if you can’t insult someone without using a racial, sexuality or social slur, then you need to crack open a dictionary.
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Post by bomberville on Mar 9, 2024 11:39:43 GMT -6
Good discussion. Now everyone please contribute what you think should be acceptable trash-talk topics or phrases. What is left for our players to use? Call a guy a liberal or Justin??? Them are fighting words. Lol
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Post by flyswatter on Mar 9, 2024 21:20:34 GMT -6
Good discussion. Now everyone please contribute what you think should be acceptable trash-talk topics or phrases. What is left for our players to use? if you can’t insult someone without using a racial, sexuality or social slur, then you need to crack open a dictionary. Crack open your dictionary, and do it now.
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Post by flyswatter on Mar 10, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -6
Still waiting, blackandyellow. Do you need a hand lifting your dictionary onto your desk? Or figuring out which way is up? Or have we read your best? Or have you decided that your handle has 8 too many letters and that you are henceforth to be referred to as…wolley.
Come on. Give me a dictionary-based, SJ-approved piece of trash-talk that would make your mother blush.
Hockey is above all a game and gamesmanship has always been and should continue to be part of the game. Sure there are words and phrases that, over time, will become offensive. Eventually all forms of verbal communication will surely be outlawed lest someone’s feelings become hurt. For example, use of the word pigeon is deeply offensive to me, as my favourite bus driver from my school days kept and bred pigeons. In fact, one team even made a player wear the word on his back this season. Absolutely disgraceful.
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Post by blackandyellow on Mar 10, 2024 11:38:58 GMT -6
You’re so embarrassing lol. If you can’t think of an insult that isn’t racially, sexually or socially based, then that’s on you. Go away and learn something.
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Post by ben on Mar 10, 2024 12:18:48 GMT -6
As a long time fan of hockey Friday nights game in Weyburn was one of the most discouraging piece of officiating I have ever seen. Those of us that live in a dream world will probably disagree with me but the call to give a game penalty, and probably more, for uttering a very minor slur, was nothing short of rediculous. To start with what prevoked the player, was it a jab where it hurts the most or maybe a butt end in ribs. I'm sure you will all checked Flo hockey but if you can see every infraction there you can see better than I do. However I guess that is consistent with Ref's calls to get the retaliation infraction and not the original one.
I agree there has to be rules, but like all rules and regulations they need to be applied with some common sense. This was an important game for both teams so to have a call like that made was nothing short of stupidity. I travel a long way to see these games but if calls like these persist I'm afraid you will not see me in the stands anymore. We just need to apply the rules with some "common sense".
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Post by albertadog on Mar 10, 2024 12:43:14 GMT -6
And there is the problem, why is it always the officiating that is the problem? Why are the players and coaches not being held accountable for any of this? If the player said it, then they are responsible for it. Just because it’s on the ice makes no difference. This is all on the players and coaches. You need to know what’s acceptable and what is not.
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Post by ben on Mar 10, 2024 14:49:01 GMT -6
I agree to some extent. However to treat a minor offence the same as a major one doesn’t make sense. That is where “common sense “ should apply for both the on ice officials and those who apply the penalties. If you roll through a stop sign at 1/4km per hour you could get a ticket but thanks to some common sense your not likely to get one.
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Post by swkot on Mar 10, 2024 15:16:56 GMT -6
And there is the problem, why is it always the officiating that is the problem? Why are the players and coaches not being held accountable for any of this? If the player said it, then they are responsible for it. Just because it’s on the ice makes no difference. This is all on the players and coaches. You need to know what’s acceptable and what is not. Kinda falls in line with the old saying, that if it seems like every single person you meet is an arsehole then you're probably the arsehole. Mapes has his team play with an edge, and as a result they tend to sit near the top of of the league every year for PIM. Throw some self control issues into the mix and they are really pulling away from the pack this year. That has nothing to do with the officials. Contrary to what some believe they aren't out there to hand out an equal number of powerplay opportunities. Teams are all held to the same rules. Much the same all teams are all equally exposed to the human element, some penalties that should get called are missed either from a matter of discretion or sight line. Some non-penalties get called because things can look different from different angles, and officials do not have the luxury of multiple views in real time. It is hard to believe the Wings have been so disproportionately affected by officiating this year that it cost them the division pennant. And yet if you follow them on social media it is hard to believe they lost a single game themselves. Every loss was just a win handed to their opposition on a silver platter by the officials.
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Post by swkot on Mar 10, 2024 15:18:02 GMT -6
I agree to some extent. However to treat a minor offence the same as a major one doesn’t make sense. That is where “common sense “ should apply for both the on ice officials and those who apply the penalties. If you roll through a stop sign at 1/4km per hour you could get a ticket but thanks to some common sense your not likely to get one. Most are smart enough not to keep doing the same thing over and over after they are caught the first time.
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Post by notbillchow on Mar 10, 2024 15:57:53 GMT -6
You’re so embarrassing lol. If you can’t think of an insult that isn’t racially, sexually or socially based, then that’s on you. Go away and learn something. Idk man, now a days there is a lot of comments that could be deemed unacceptable. Example…. A midget aaa kid said “ok dad” to another midget player that fathered a child over the summer, the ref immediately went to the players bench and said no more comments like that. Inevitably the league suspended the kid for a game, and that’s after I heard repetitive comments about mothers and sisters….read between the lines on that one. So ya I’m wondering what’s acceptable anymore myself, pretty much nothing…..not sure could you still call a guy a douche bag?? I guess brain dead ??
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Post by ned on Mar 11, 2024 8:24:29 GMT -6
You’re so embarrassing lol. If you can’t think of an insult that isn’t racially, sexually or socially based, then that’s on you. Go away and learn something. Idk man, now a days there is a lot of comments that could be deemed unacceptable. Example…. A midget aaa kid said “ok dad” to another midget player that fathered a child over the summer, the ref immediately went to the players bench and said no more comments like that. Inevitably the league suspended the kid for a game, and that’s after I heard repetitive comments about mothers and sisters….read between the lines on that one. So ya I’m wondering what’s acceptable anymore myself, pretty much nothing…..not sure could you still call a guy a douche bag?? I guess brain dead ?? This world is absolutely crazy now and we're all turning into a bunch of Trudeau's. Zero common sense. I agree with you 100% There are no safe words anymore. The funny thing is that you used the word "Midget" twice in your example. That is also a NO NO word in this new world. You just got 5 games for saying something offensive to short people. See how easy and ridiculous it is! This is hockey. Young testosterone filled men playing a high intensity game. Part of the game and the fun is getting under each other's skin. After the game, they are all friends again. No one ever had to go to the doctor because their girlfriend got called a #%bucket. Leave it on the ice and let them play because no one in the stands even hears these words. It spoils the game to have them sitting for 10 minutes, or worse, 2-5 games for NOTHING. For all you people crying "Weyburn deserves it". I would say the exact same thing for any team getting these penalties. It makes The SJHL look like a bush league when they rack up penalties minutes. I go to the rink to watch hockey not teams sitting with 6 guys in the penalty box at the start of a game because they failed to wear a useless neck guard in warm-up. This league, and the Red Wings are included in this, have been given hundreds of minutes in penalties for neck guards, mouth guards, and words. Spoils this great game.
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Post by yourewrong on Mar 11, 2024 9:16:12 GMT -6
Idk man, now a days there is a lot of comments that could be deemed unacceptable. Example…. A midget aaa kid said “ok dad” to another midget player that fathered a child over the summer, the ref immediately went to the players bench and said no more comments like that. Inevitably the league suspended the kid for a game, and that’s after I heard repetitive comments about mothers and sisters….read between the lines on that one. So ya I’m wondering what’s acceptable anymore myself, pretty much nothing…..not sure could you still call a guy a douche bag?? I guess brain dead ?? This world is absolutely crazy now and we're all turning into a bunch of Trudeau's. Zero common sense. I agree with you 100% There are no safe words anymore. The funny thing is that you used the word "Midget" twice in your example. That is also a NO NO word in this new world. You just got 5 games for saying something offensive to short people. See how easy and ridiculous it is! This is hockey. Young testosterone filled men playing a high intensity game. Part of the game and the fun is getting under each other's skin. After the game, they are all friends again. No one ever had to go to the doctor because their girlfriend got called a #%bucket. Leave it on the ice and let them play because no one in the stands even hears these words. It spoils the game to have them sitting for 10 minutes, or worse, 2-5 games for NOTHING. For all you people crying "Weyburn deserves it". I would say the exact same thing for any team getting these penalties. It makes The SJHL look like a bush league when they rack up penalties minutes. I go to the rink to watch hockey not teams sitting with 6 guys in the penalty box at the start of a game because they failed to wear a useless neck guard in warm-up. This league, and the Red Wings are included in this, have been given hundreds of minutes in penalties for neck guards, mouth guards, and words. Spoils this great game. This entire post and 99% of the discussion around it makes the SJ look more bush league than any suspension ever could.
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Post by sjguy47 on Mar 11, 2024 10:53:40 GMT -6
Without taking any teams' side... it was very early this year that a player was suspended for "x" amount of games for calling another player on the ice a fa###t. Shortly followed, a player suspended for calling someone an R word. The league makes these suspensions public, the teams are sent memos, and the word gets around the league. If as a player you are stupid enough to use it again knowing that your peers in the same league have already been suspended for the same thing, then you deserve to watch from the stands and think about it.
We need to remember that good coaches are not on the bench to only make great hockey players and great teams. They are there to make great people, great men. I applaud the coaches that spend more time on their player as a person, than as a hockey player. Braden in BNS is a prime example. This man year after year focuses on discipline and respect - although I concede there are always a few bad apples. When I see a coach coming unglued, warranted or not, it is absolutely always followed by a lack of discipline from the players.
I would much rather see these players grow to be contributing young men in my SJHL town when they are done playing, than a 20 something year old talking smack at the grocery store about a teenager he used to play against. There is no other workplace in the world that will allow these young men to use the words they are choosing, so the excuse that it's on the ice or in the rink is completely invalid. Not much gets under the skin of your opponents more than throwing the puck in their net, that's how you play the mental game.
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Post by 2020SJHLFan on Mar 11, 2024 11:17:52 GMT -6
The fact that a bunch of adults are arguing that it should be acceptable for teenagers to call each other slurs is honestly disgusting. The crackdown on use of slurs has been happening for two years and if the players and the teams cannot figure that out it is completely on them. It's not like the league is giving these directives (neck guards, mouth guards, use of language) just to the refs and not telling the teams. Weyburn took misconducts for equipment violations in how many games? I'm sorry but that's on the coaching staff and the players to figure it out.
Yes, I agree that when you compare a suspension for using a derogatory term being an automatic 5 games vs something that happened in play (2 games typically), vs Little slashing an official being 5 games, the suspension numbers don't seem right. But, I would also argue that it's a lot easier to control the words that come out of your mouth, vs a bad break in a hockey game where you catch a guy in the head, or a guy turns and you hit them from behind.
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Post by flyswatter on Mar 12, 2024 5:59:13 GMT -6
You’re so embarrassing lol. If you can’t think of an insult that isn’t racially, sexually or socially based, then that’s on you. Go away and learn something. I thought I did - right before this gem of yours. I was asking you to take a turn. Give me your best shot. I can take it. If I laugh out loud or (better yet) feel my blood about to boil, you will have properly completed the task and I will buy a beer a random Bruins fan a beer this weekend. Come on. Last chance. Be a sport.
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Post by ben on Mar 12, 2024 7:26:15 GMT -6
Well said Ned. Nice to see that someone sees how the real world works and doesn’t have their head in dreamland. The sooner the SJHL starts using some “common sense “ the better off all teams will be.
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Post by yourewrong on Mar 12, 2024 12:30:48 GMT -6
Well said Ned. Nice to see that someone sees how the real world works and doesn’t have their head in dreamland. The sooner the SJHL starts using some “common sense “ the better off all teams will be. What real world is that?
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Post by yourewrong on Mar 12, 2024 12:40:09 GMT -6
You’re so embarrassing lol. If you can’t think of an insult that isn’t racially, sexually or socially based, then that’s on you. Go away and learn something. Go ahead, try and make me mad. I'll even buy you a beer if you can make me feel like a small pathetic worm. Ooh I'd hate that hehe. Please dont meet up with me later and step on lil old me, lol. ? ? ?
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Post by confused on Mar 12, 2024 14:06:24 GMT -6
Any news out of Weyburn about the Red Wings? I mean this was their thread,right?
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Post by stangmang on Mar 13, 2024 10:52:36 GMT -6
You’re so embarrassing lol. If you can’t think of an insult that isn’t racially, sexually or socially based, then that’s on you. Go away and learn something. I thought I did - right before this gem of yours. I was asking you to take a turn. Give me your best shot. I can take it. If I laugh out loud or (better yet) feel my blood about to boil, you will have properly completed the task and I will buy a beer a random Bruins fan a beer this weekend. Come on. Last chance. Be a sport. Jesus man how old are you? You’re begging someone to come up with an insult for you on a message board. Move on.
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Post by tml52 on Mar 15, 2024 22:55:08 GMT -6
Let’s hope the referees use their whistles tomorrow night so that’s tempers don’t flare and create suspensions as it will be a meaningless game for both teams or rest some guys and give some AP’s some ice time if they are available. Seems like the bruins are a little banged up
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Post by dima on Apr 1, 2024 10:05:48 GMT -6
How highly underrated is Nick Kovacs? Tough, moves the puck well, skates well, stay at home dman who has saved the red wings many many times. IMO the unsung hero for sure.
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Post by powerplay306 on Apr 2, 2024 7:21:44 GMT -6
How highly underrated is Nick Kovacs? Tough, moves the puck well, skates well, stay at home dman who has saved the red wings many many times. IMO the unsung hero for sure. Great play he made at the line to keep the puck in which lead to the game winner.
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Post by thedagger on Apr 2, 2024 8:15:16 GMT -6
How highly underrated is Nick Kovacs? Tough, moves the puck well, skates well, stay at home dman who has saved the red wings many many times. IMO the unsung hero for sure. On a Top end team everyone would know his name throughout the league , he is a hell of a player.
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Post by flyswatter on Apr 2, 2024 22:31:34 GMT -6
Thank you to the Red Wings for an entertaining year of playing hockey the right way. Best wishes to the departing players and I look forward to an exciting 24/25 season. Mapes has the team moving in the right direction; he now has a nice core of players who know and can help teach new players his system and we can expect big things for his next group.
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