Reffing

[elbows]

How many teams are going to get screwed by refs these playoffs. Come on mcintyre. Do better

[flyswatter]

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[Sjhl super fan]

How about Newans pushing the lineman last night. Twice!

[notbillchow]

Mar 23, 2024 9:04:40 GMT -6 elbows said:

How many teams are going to get screwed by refs these playoffs. Come on mcintyre. Do better

What do you expect McIntyre to do?  Demand SHA to send out better officials?  
1. huge shortage
2. best in whl
3. young officials lose interest by getting ripped on by fans/ hence back to point one
4. to much travel, pay is mediocre for the crap they take.
5. so many dumb rule changes and top guys demanding rules be implemented is ruining the game

You should really take this up with SHA they are more to blame than the league, just don’t know we’re you’d get better guys?

[tml52]

Mar 28, 2024 21:00:09 GMT -6 notbillchow said:

Mar 23, 2024 9:04:40 GMT -6 elbows said:

How many teams are going to get screwed by refs these playoffs. Come on mcintyre. Do better

What do you expect McIntyre to do?  Demand SHA to send out better officials?  
1. huge shortage
2. best in whl
3. young officials lose interest by getting ripped on by fans/ hence back to point one
4. to much travel, pay is mediocre for the crap they take.
5. so many dumb rule changes and top guys demanding rules be implemented is ruining the game

You should really take this up with SHA they are more to blame than the league, just don’t know we’re you’d get better guys?

We don’t know what the players say to these refs either, the more the players say the worse I will be for them, they remember these kids and they are there doing a job they love for very little money they don’t want to take the . I get emotions get the best of you at times but I believe it’s how they follow up after the fact

[tml52]

Mar 28, 2024 16:13:30 GMT -6 Sjhl super fan said:

How about Newans pushing the lineman last night. Twice!

Two games was not enough for that nonsense! Better have sent him an apology or game seven will be hell for him. Every ref and lines person just lost all respect for him

[sjguy47]

Mar 28, 2024 21:00:09 GMT -6 notbillchow said:

Mar 23, 2024 9:04:40 GMT -6 elbows said:

How many teams are going to get screwed by refs these playoffs. Come on mcintyre. Do better

What do you expect McIntyre to do?  Demand SHA to send out better officials?  
1. huge shortage
2. best in whl
3. young officials lose interest by getting ripped on by fans/ hence back to point one
4. to much travel, pay is mediocre for the crap they take.
5. so many dumb rule changes and top guys demanding rules be implemented is ruining the game

You should really take this up with SHA they are more to blame than the league, just don’t know we’re you’d get better guys?

This post is accurate - HockeySask sets the rates to be paid for Jr a in sask.

Lets do some quick math...
most officials working the flin flon games appear to be coming from S'toon according to game sheets.
Mileage rates are set by hockeysask and appear to have only gone up less than 5cents per km in the last 10 years since I officiated, yet fuel is more than doubled or even tripled. Mileage rates barely cover the cost of wear and tear on a vehicle plus gas. So thats a wash. A referee makes 125 in this league and a linesperson 85. For a flin flon crew, their day is 16 hours long (6hr each way, 1 hour before the game, 2.5-3 hour game). Hockeysask sets their allowance fee at $10/100km. So a ref in this league is making $14/hr, and a linesperson is making $12/hr.
To be clear - they typically would end up making more per hour for the shorter trips, but at best the referees are making $20/hr mathematically.

Now this doesn't sound terrible if you're a high school student looking for some extra cash, but this absolutely doesn't compensate the top officials in the league to leave their day job to work a hockey game. So with that being said, do we expect more of the 18 year old officials supplementing their university income, or do we expect more of the league to compensate the better (and older) officials to work our league?

In perspective, the officials in the new BCHL league are making double to triple what the refs make in the SJ. 

My point is it would be a tough sell to be a top ref in this league, when they can be skating WHL or university games for more more money, and far less gong shows. I haven't heard of next to any issues with the refs in the whl worrying about whos wearing neck guards or using improperly sponsored hockey sticks... because the league deals with it in the background, not the refs in the game.

Times are tight but you wouldn't catch me leaving my day job to go ref because of this - unless it was just my shift at mcdonalds, where I'd nearly still be making more money....

[bomberville]

Apr 1, 2024 11:26:34 GMT -6 sjguy47 said:

Mar 28, 2024 21:00:09 GMT -6 notbillchow said:

What do you expect McIntyre to do?  Demand SHA to send out better officials?  
1. huge shortage
2. best in whl
3. young officials lose interest by getting ripped on by fans/ hence back to point one
4. to much travel, pay is mediocre for the crap they take.
5. so many dumb rule changes and top guys demanding rules be implemented is ruining the game

You should really take this up with SHA they are more to blame than the league, just don’t know we’re you’d get better guys?

This post is accurate - HockeySask sets the rates to be paid for Jr a in sask.

Lets do some quick math...
most officials working the flin flon games appear to be coming from S'toon according to game sheets.
Mileage rates are set by hockeysask and appear to have only gone up less than 5cents per km in the last 10 years since I officiated, yet fuel is more than doubled or even tripled. Mileage rates barely cover the cost of wear and tear on a vehicle plus gas. So thats a wash. A referee makes 125 in this league and a linesperson 85. For a flin flon crew, their day is 16 hours long (6hr each way, 1 hour before the game, 2.5-3 hour game). Hockeysask sets their allowance fee at $10/100km. So a ref in this league is making $14/hr, and a linesperson is making $12/hr.
To be clear - they typically would end up making more per hour for the shorter trips, but at best the referees are making $20/hr mathematically.

Now this doesn't sound terrible if you're a high school student looking for some extra cash, but this absolutely doesn't compensate the top officials in the league to leave their day job to work a hockey game. So with that being said, do we expect more of the 18 year old officials supplementing their university income, or do we expect more of the league to compensate the better (and older) officials to work our league?

In perspective, the officials in the new BCHL league are making double to triple what the refs make in the SJ. 

My point is it would be a tough sell to be a top ref in this league, when they can be skating WHL or university games for more more money, and far less gong shows. I haven't heard of next to any issues with the refs in the whl worrying about whos wearing neck guards or using improperly sponsored hockey sticks... because the league deals with it in the background, not the refs in the game.

Times are tight but you wouldn't catch me leaving my day job to go ref because of this - unless it was just my shift at mcdonalds, where I'd nearly still be making more money....

You nailed it!!!

To add. IMO. Why is an official not paid according to the quality of job they do? We have some quality officials in the league and I see no reason they’re paid the same as an official who does a poor job. Put some incentive out there to do the best job possible.

[myopinion]

I agree with paying top referee more than poorer ones as an incentive to both getting better and retaining good ones. Does anyone know the number of actual referees have been used in the league this year? Does the league have a group of officials to choose from or are the ones we see the only choice. They are being evaluated basically every time on the ice so rankings shouldn’t be too hard to make.

[confused]

Wow, pay them an their quality? So ever game they get a score card and their cheque is according to their performance. Bad game, one mistake gets you minimum. The pressure that would create would be terrible. I do understand the concept and agree in theory but that would never work.

[Beaverstreet]

Apr 1, 2024 16:58:09 GMT -6 confused said:

Wow, pay them an their quality? So ever game they get a score card and their cheque is according to their performance. Bad game, one mistake gets you minimum. The pressure that would create would be terrible. I do understand the concept and agree in theory but that would never work.

No, you just pay the better ones to stay for retention.

[notbillchow]

Apr 1, 2024 16:58:09 GMT -6 confused said:

Wow, pay them an their quality? So ever game they get a score card and their cheque is according to their performance. Bad game, one mistake gets you minimum. The pressure that would create would be terrible. I do understand the concept and agree in theory but that would never work.

You’d be paying an evaluator every game to do an evaluation?? Won’t work! You just need to pay more, weed out the ones the league doesn’t want the next year, fill in the blanks, in theory a couple years later you’d have a pretty decent crew. Problem is the best ones will move on to the next level if they can, maybe just a vicious cycle of trying to get the best every night. And remember employees go to work and have an off day they don’t get a decrease in pay, they may get fired!!! League needs to step up with SHA and they may have to offer more to get more incentive to retain quality guys. It’s not a quick fix guys….it was destroyed over a 15 year period, can’t fix it in a year.

[Bomber24]

The league needs to pay way better, that's the bottom line. The SHA needs to pay better for all the levels of officiating, from young ref's to Junior A. It takes a long time to
develop good officials, so to keep them, pay them way better. Just my 2 cents.

[confused]

Round numbers for ththe past few years in the SHA officials registrations is about 3000 officials. 1000 are new every year so that means 1000 quit every year.

Based on a conversation about 3 years ago with someone who would know.

[powerplay306]

The officiating in Weyburn in Game 6 was a clinic in how to call a playoff game. Great job.

[bomberville]

Apr 2, 2024 7:29:45 GMT -6 powerplay306 said:

The officiating in Weyburn in Game 6 was a clinic in how to call a playoff game. Great job.

Absolutely!!! That was one of the best officiated games I’ve seen in a long time. The game was called consistent from start to finish.