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Apr 28, 2015 17:11:26 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Apr 28, 2015 17:11:26 GMT -6
Great to see that portage won today vs pentiction.. Hopefully Melfort can beat them tomorrow..
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Apr 28, 2015 19:07:27 GMT -6
Post by hockeygawd on Apr 28, 2015 19:07:27 GMT -6
Anyone catch the melfort-SG game on fast hockey last night? Wow what a homer the color guy was anyone know if he's doing all the games? He made it sound like an NHL team was playing a echl team(melfort), he called sjhl a weak league countless times despite winning RBClast year and iI believe the sj has more national championships. The sj doesn't have great scholarship numbers the game here is played like the pro game more then any other junior A loop, physical, hitting, cycling etc hence lack of dig. 1 schollys. Lots of cis, sphl players that do move on. I think scouts do their teams great disservice by not scouting tthe sjhl heavier the league produces COMPLETE team players... L No doubt, all game he laid hints that Alberta and BC were the premier leagues. The only thing that I like about Tyler King is his video editing skills and his massive boner for Palmer!! The only topics of conversation for him regarding the Mustangs were how unreal Palmer is, and how cold Mayan is (over two games...common). Typical Alberta arrogance if you ask me. I think its bread into the people from that province. The icing call was unbelievable. I'm sure if it was game in the Sask instead of a tourny Blev's head would've exploded! There's no way that the ref's can make that mistake, at that point in the game at this level. Not only does the puck barley dribble across the line, the replay clearly shows the SG player play the body on Boyer preventing him from touching it before it crosses the line. For those that want to watch highlights, there is lengthy clips of every game on the WCC website.
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Apr 28, 2015 20:13:17 GMT -6
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Post by boomer66 on Apr 28, 2015 20:13:17 GMT -6
No doubt, all game he laid hints that Alberta and BC were the premier leagues. The only thing that I like about Tyler King is his video editing skills and his massive boner for Palmer!! The only topics of conversation for him regarding the Mustangs were how unreal Palmer is, and how cold Mayan is (over two games...common). Typical Alberta arrogance if you ask me. I think its bread into the people from that province. The icing call was unbelievable. I'm sure if it was game in the Sask instead of a tourny Blev's head would've exploded! There's no way that the ref's can make that mistake, at that point in the game at this level. Not only does the puck barley dribble across the line, the replay clearly shows the SG player play the body on Boyer preventing him from touching it before it crosses the line. For those that want to watch highlights, there is lengthy clips of every game on the WCC website. You can stuff the Alberta comments up you back end. That is a mentality of the announcers and fanatics of the AJHL not Alberta. I agree that they were homers but not reflective of Albertans in general. If this is the way All Saskatchewanera feel they would be no different than what you are pointing the finger at. I am from Alberta and a Melfort and SJHL fan but the narrow minded thinking gets a little old, the same as the AJ fans are showing.
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Apr 28, 2015 20:37:26 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 28, 2015 20:37:26 GMT -6
you can always turn on 750 and listen to crowbar. turn the sound down on the video and be entertained.
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Apr 28, 2015 20:45:04 GMT -6
Post by hockeygawd on Apr 28, 2015 20:45:04 GMT -6
Here's my take on it. You can tell the difference between people born and raised in Alberta, and those who live in Alberta but were raised in Saskatchewan, Newfoundland or whereever. I have lived in Alberta, worked in Alberta, played hockey in Alberta and have lots of family in Alberta. I don't make my comment without any knowledge. I'll rephrase .. It's bread into a lot of people!
Now back to hockey! IMO you can tell the announcer is pro SG tonight vs the host Fort Mac.
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Apr 28, 2015 21:05:53 GMT -6
Post by Firefighter68 on Apr 28, 2015 21:05:53 GMT -6
Looks like SG are getting homered by the refs.
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Apr 28, 2015 23:05:58 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 23:05:58 GMT -6
Who cares if the announcer is pro anybody? Everyone has their faves. Isn't the score the determining factor. SJ and MJ may move on and that will tell the story again. Some people need to be told the same things over and over and finally those who are biased toward a certain team or league may catch on to the facts. The icing call - I watched the video. The same calls were made in almost every SJ playoff game I saw this year. In fact there were icings called that we easier to catch the puck than that one was. Both of these guys were skating full out. How many times did we see players in the SJ playoffs skate in a curved line with no effort to not touch the puck and get a whistle - MANY! Melfort and Nipawin both slouched on the icings for whistles worse than that call at the WCC. It is consistent and that seems fair.
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Apr 29, 2015 8:09:17 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 8:09:17 GMT -6
Who cares if the announcer is pro anybody? Everyone has their faves. Isn't the score the determining factor. SJ and MJ may move on and that will tell the story again. Some people need to be told the same things over and over and finally those who are biased toward a certain team or league may catch on to the facts. The icing call - I watched the video. The same calls were made in almost every SJ playoff game I saw this year. In fact there were icings called that we easier to catch the puck than that one was. Both of these guys were skating full out. How many times did we see players in the SJ playoffs skate in a curved line with no effort to not touch the puck and get a whistle - MANY! Melfort and Nipawin both slouched on the icings for whistles worse than that call at the WCC. It is consistent and that seems fair. Listen to yourself, wow Nipps complained about Refs all season long and now your talking about being fair, I could see if you were there and that happened, you guys would of wined incessantly, but wait a minute your not here so get back to golfing chum
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Apr 29, 2015 8:24:47 GMT -6
Post by little on Apr 29, 2015 8:24:47 GMT -6
"The Icing Call" Just because Nip and Melfort worked the slouch to their advantage does not change the rules. A playable puck is a playable puck. With the intensity and effort level at this point in the game, that was easily playable. I am not a Melfort fan, I live in BC but that was a poor call. My brother was a coach in BCHL for a lotta yr. He is at the tourney (using my tics and room). He saw it as I did, as did most locals and the radio guys.
What happened that Portage beat Penticton. Rich seemed to think Vees were not ready for such a worthy opponent from MB??
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Apr 29, 2015 9:11:05 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 9:11:05 GMT -6
Hockey4f4 - I knew someone with mustang colored glasses would jump as soon as a Nip fan posted a comment. So predictable - You forgot to read the post as per usual - Go back and check my history - you won't find many if any posts about poor refs - maybe a comment that the call swayed the decision but I still stand by the motto - if your margin of victory is one bad call then play better hockey and win. The point is that if Melfort wanted to slouch the icing to get to Fort mac they should be willing to accept others slouching the icing while IN Fort Mac. If you play fair to get there you should expect fair play when you are there. If you use the rules to your advantage to get there, expect others to use the rules to their advantage while you are there.
This icing is a judgement call, the linesman decided the puck crossed the line before either player could reach it. He's not watching the players interact, thats the ref's job, he is watching the puck and goal line - he is focussed on the puck as he should be. It is a game of inches on every line on the ice surface and it shouldn't change in April / May. You can't tell me both of those players were NOt skating as fast as they could, but the puck crossed first without being touched. = Icing. It was icing and it was interference. The linesman made the right call, the Ref had the choice to call the penalty. Remember hitting a player without the puck or impeding their progress tothe puck is interference. Again people fail to think for themselves and come up with an original thought. The announcer questioned icing so everyone just agrees. This lesson was taught earlier in that just cause someone lives in ALberta doesn't mean they are Albertans - think like Albertans or reason like Albertans. People are indivduals.
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Apr 29, 2015 10:11:37 GMT -6
Post by oilersrock28 on Apr 29, 2015 10:11:37 GMT -6
Some guy I disagree with everything in your last post and it sounds like their is some dislike for melfort...maybe I'm wrong. I'm not a melfort fan nor a SG fan
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Apr 29, 2015 10:50:36 GMT -6
Post by SJfan15 on Apr 29, 2015 10:50:36 GMT -6
There has always been an Alberta and BC bias in every sport. They just underestimate this province time after time.
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Apr 29, 2015 12:46:35 GMT -6
Post by garbageman on Apr 29, 2015 12:46:35 GMT -6
Well Spruce Grove was touted by the AB media as being untouchable the team to beat for the RBC, not the WCC, but the RBC, we all saw how that turned out.
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Apr 29, 2015 13:23:44 GMT -6
Post by swkot on Apr 29, 2015 13:23:44 GMT -6
So I guess first off a Mustang win tonight would be great, if not Portage needs to finish off Spruce Grove tomorrow. Making the final 4, with Portage in the mix and playing well, is huge. More opportunity than normal to move on to the RBC.
As for the condescension towards the SJHL from out west, it's always been there but I think SJHL fans have been guilty of doing the same with the MJHL. But when it comes down to it, the top teams in every league are very competitive with each other. Really, the WCC and RBC don't help us get a clear picture of how all these leagues would stack up against each other in their entirety. All different styles of hockey, different building philosophies.
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Apr 29, 2015 13:44:11 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 29, 2015 13:44:11 GMT -6
i believe spruce grove's hopes of moving on to playoff round are done even if they win there last game. melfor beat them head to head so it is meaningless.
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Apr 29, 2015 14:31:05 GMT -6
Post by swkot on Apr 29, 2015 14:31:05 GMT -6
I forgot that an OT loss doesn't count for points in this. I may have to tune in to the next couple games if I don't fall asleep before they start.
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Apr 29, 2015 21:38:12 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 21:38:12 GMT -6
So I am not taking any shots at anyone here, but what is going on with the Minion line? Expected a lot more out of them that they are doing. Are they being line matched and shadowed pretty heavy or just not their time to shine?
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Apr 29, 2015 23:10:18 GMT -6
Post by garbageman on Apr 29, 2015 23:10:18 GMT -6
4 power plays all tournament. Mustangs not being physical, those two things are hurting Melfort right now.
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Apr 30, 2015 0:09:30 GMT -6
Post by Firefighter68 on Apr 30, 2015 0:09:30 GMT -6
Looks like stangs gonna have to win 3/4 game to make RBC.
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Apr 30, 2015 7:23:38 GMT -6
Post by garbageman on Apr 30, 2015 7:23:38 GMT -6
Yup, game tonight I meaningless really, just gotta win on Saturday.
This draw might be the wonkier thing I've ever seen, why not have 1 play 4 and 2 play 3 on Saturday, then the losers playoff Sunday afternoon for the bronze, and the winners of the Sat games playoff Sunday evening for the WCC championship. Guess the extra revenue from another game wasn't wanted/needed? I sure hope after Estevan this tournament goes the way of the dinosaur.
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Apr 30, 2015 7:36:04 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 30, 2015 7:36:04 GMT -6
it was like a rec hockey game. i wasn't at the game but listened and did not sound like much as far as physical from either of the two teams. melfort needs to play to the strengths that got them there. they also have yet to play a full 60 mins. coach needs to address this he is responsible for getting them ready to play. am i missing something. sounds like at times they are more than capable of competing with anyone that is there.
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Apr 30, 2015 7:36:41 GMT -6
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Post by netyme on Apr 30, 2015 7:36:41 GMT -6
Yup, game tonight I meaningless really, just gotta win on Saturday. This draw might be the wonkier thing I've ever seen, why not have 1 play 4 and 2 play 3 on Saturday, then the losers playoff Sunday afternoon for the bronze, and the winners of the Sat games playoff Sunday evening for the WCC championship. Guess the extra revenue from another game wasn't wanted/needed? I sure hope after Estevan this tournament goes the way of the dinosaur. If portage does not beat spruce grove today, tonight's game is huge. Us mustang fans want portage and penticton in the final, that leaves us to play ft Mac for the third RBC spot.
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Apr 30, 2015 13:52:37 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 30, 2015 13:52:37 GMT -6
obviously you were at the game then? the best way to slow someone down is to eliminate time and space. nipawin tried to skate with melfort and we know how that worked out for them. when they took away time and space and played physical it turned into a different game. i also believe that mr crowe's age has no bearing on his ability to understand the game. don't get me wrong penticton is a very good team. melfort imo have not played up to their potential yet, or should i say played a full 60 mins. at these round robin tournaments you need to utilize the depth of the team and i am not seeing that as of yet. i hope that they can turn it around.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:05:02 GMT -6
Post by seafood on Apr 30, 2015 14:05:02 GMT -6
Everyone is a bit off here.
To the person wondering about the playoff format, 1 plays 2 for the final on Saturday night for the first spot at the RBC and the WCC Championship. Big game. 3 plays 4 for a shot at the loser of that game for the 2nd spot at the RBC. Another big game. Then those two teams play Sunday for an RBC spot. Big game. If you go the 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 format with the winners facing off for the final, the game would actually mean squat because both teams would be going to the RBC anyway. With the format the way it is, all games are meaningful. This year is a bit of an anomaly though with Portage being the host team for the RBC so an extra spot is up for grabs so to speak.
Next, if Portage beats Spruce Grove, they are 1st and Penticton is 2nd. Should Portage lose, they will be 2-2. This leaves things wide open. If Melfort beat Fort Mac, they would all be 2-2 and the vs each other format is out the window for the tie breaker cause Melfort beat Fort Mac who beat Portage who beat Melfort. So it would go to the Goals For/Goals Against thing and in that case Melfort could finish as high as second depending on the scores today. If Portage loses and Fort Mac wins, Fort Mac is 2nd and Melfort would then play Portage in the 3 vs 4 game. If Melfort doesn't finish second, then it is best for them if Portage does, cause then all they would need to do is win the 3/4 game to get to the RBC. Confusing yes, but still plenty of scenarios out there.
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Apr 30, 2015 14:11:39 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 30, 2015 14:11:39 GMT -6
clear as mud, thanks seafood.
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Apr 30, 2015 16:15:19 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 30, 2015 16:15:19 GMT -6
oldvet, i appreciate what you are saying but you never answered the question. were you there to watch the game or what are you basing this on. i listened to the radio via mr crowe, and maybe i don't have enough insight to base my opinion however i believe mr crowe was there and does a pretty dam good job. if you were at the game fine, but if not i will put my take on mr crowe.
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Apr 30, 2015 16:38:03 GMT -6
Post by nofavorites on Apr 30, 2015 16:38:03 GMT -6
ok correct if im wrong. so melfort just plain and simple was that much slower than penticton or there positional play was something to be desired. i don't think you have to sugar coat it here, people who are not there who wish they were want to know whats happening.
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Apr 30, 2015 16:41:13 GMT -6
Post by seafood on Apr 30, 2015 16:41:13 GMT -6
I guess Fort Mac can still win tonight and then a three way tie for first would decide the tie breaker thing, Terriers not first automatically but looks good. They will be first if Melfort wins and most likely second in Melfort loses tonight. Tonight's Melfort/Fort Mac game will most likely be for last change in the 3/4 game which can be significant. That game Saturday will decide who gets a spot at the RBC. Penticton/Portage will already have a spot.
If Fort Mac wins with a lopsided score like 9-0 or something silly they could still sneak into second but that is highly unlikely.
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Apr 30, 2015 22:31:43 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 22:31:43 GMT -6
This tournament format is awesome if the RBC host isn't in it. When they anounnced it 3 yrs ago everyone was thrilled with how meaningful every game was considering they needed to find 2 winners. The committee who dreamed it up was praised from Victoria to Winnipeg, but a free ride through the WCC ruins its wonder. Hopefully we never need to discuss this again as next yr the RBC will be East and 2017 will bring back a 7 game series.
Crowe is pretty good, has some interesting ways to describe boring moments. He does great. He is also biased but we don't get those compaints on the SJ forum. They are only allowed on the MJ AJ and BC forums. I was blown away that he thought Fauchoux was possibly getting a 2min minor for spearing. He read the refs signal better than other announcers but I couldn't beleive he thought there was a possibility for a single minor. No big deal, just surprised me.
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May 1, 2015 5:40:39 GMT -6
Post by seafood on May 1, 2015 5:40:39 GMT -6
I disagree. I know you need a host team to have any hope at success, but any event that has a host team sucks. It skews the whole season for that league and they can sneak through when they have no business doing so. Based on this event, you could say Fort Mac's season was a bigger success than Spruce Groves, which is not fair at all. Especially if Fort Mac ends up at the RBC. 50 days rest can mean you are rusty but it also means hungry and injury free.
And next years RBC is in Lloydminster which last I checked was in Western Canada.
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