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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 17, 2015 7:43:55 GMT -6
True enough some guy, hudbay minerals or SGI or MPI don't advt with jr a clubs to help them sell copper or zinc or sell government run insurance. It's a community spirit goodwill gesture to a large degree. . But it's generally the same folks at most hockey games so how many times can Mckeens trucking tell you about the services they offer when their business is trucking and excavating. Snipe44, u may be right about how many season tickets they could sell...i keep wondering if 700 on a Friday nite is as good as it gets during the regular schedule. Would a $200 season ticket mean 900 in the rink....or would it mean 700 still with 300 less walk up crowd and more season ticket holders resulting in even less gate receipts.. I really don't know. I am glad I am not on the board trying to make those types of decisions. But I will say this, 8 years ago the bombers were about 250K in the hole, today they are about $75k in the red. A sustainable hockey club has to be able to pay down debt...or it will fold, you can only ask you volunteer base (mostly board members) to work so much before they get burnt out, you can only ask corporate sponsors for so much before they will look elsewhere for better opportunities. That leaves the season ticket holders, who in reality get the light end of the load...to help pick up the slack. But that does not seem to be a popular notion in Flin Flon. It puzzles me. L4D
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Post by snipe44 on Oct 17, 2015 8:30:28 GMT -6
I agree that season ticket holders will have to pay a share for sure. These are just ideas to lessen their load and still bring in the same or more cash. Everyone has a limit to what they're willing to spend and personally I think the prices right now are over a lot of people's limit. I have a season ticket that I use for my spouse and I to go to games. When it's gone, she won't be going anymore and I'll go to the games that work for me. If I could have gotten 2 season tickets I would have paid 500 for them but not 700. That's just my personal limit but I think there are probably a lot of fans that have similar limits. There's nothing that caters to the hockey couple. The family pack only caters to the "classic" husband, wife and 2 kids family. How many people have 1 or 3 kids? How many single parent fans are there. Maybe a few different packages would draw people to the rink. That's pretty much my point. There doesn't seem to be much actually drawing people to the rink other than a team that hasn't won the league in over 20 years. I don't have the exact numbers or anything but I would bet that teams with higher season ticket sales have a more of a cushion to start the season with their budget and are less dependant on non guaranteed walk up income.
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Post by hockeyfan50 on Oct 17, 2015 12:39:52 GMT -6
If you sell 1000 season tickets and only 700 show to the games. The seats are payed for. The money has been made. The cash is better than 100 season tickets sold and 400 showing to the games. I don't care about the businesses or the volunteers. I care about my cost to watch a game. I believe it is to costly at $15 to watch that quality of hockey. And by the looks and how many people are showing up to games I am not the only one. A drop in price would get more to the rink and may get more money in the end. IMO
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 17, 2015 16:16:46 GMT -6
Snipe: the board maybe had the same conversation we just had...I hope so as it presents two sides to look at...and hockeyfan50, I know you don't care about the sponsors or the volunteers....and I am positive if a board member views this thread they would be filled with joy knowing their countless hours are put in for "fans" such as yourself, who call them stupid and greedy.....because after all.....it's all about you. Brent Lethbridge
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Post by nofavorites on Oct 18, 2015 11:38:29 GMT -6
according to sjhl website, which may not be accurate, says the bombers are averaging 746 people per game. pretty decent numbers.
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Post by snipe44 on Oct 20, 2015 17:28:03 GMT -6
You are correct....on the may not be accurate. The web attendance gets a healthy bump for some reason when compared to actual butts in the seats.
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Post by swkot on Oct 20, 2015 22:19:31 GMT -6
according to sjhl website, which may not be accurate, says the bombers are averaging 746 people per game. pretty decent numbers. It's actually slightly better than the average of the last 5 seasons, which is 716. You are correct....on the may not be accurate. The web attendance gets a healthy bump for some reason when compared to actual butts in the seats. This is something that has been going on at all SJHL games for a long time. Last year in Melville the few times I counted (not exact but very close approximation), actual attendance was typically about 150 less than the posted "official" numbers. Pretty sparse crowd tonight so I figured it was a good opportunity to do the same. I came up with 450-475, but that's counting scratched players, security, 50/50 sellers, etc. The official attendance was announced as 590 so I think their numbers are similar again. I'm hoping to dig a little deeper into league wide attendance trends since 2010, I've got a good portion of the numbers done but I want to get at least half way into this season before I start making comparisons/correlations.
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 21, 2015 9:07:46 GMT -6
I wonder if statman knows this, in terms of attendance...padded or not...where do the Bombers rank in the league in terms of attendance. L4D
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Post by Statman on Oct 21, 2015 12:01:23 GMT -6
I wonder if statman knows this, in terms of attendance...padded or not...where do the Bombers rank in the league in terms of attendance. L4D heard my name hahaha Estevan - 981/gam Yorkton - 958/game Battlefords - 806/game Kindersley (Yes Kindersley) - 794/game Flin FLon - 746/game Melfort - 729 Melville - 719 Weyburn - 626 Nipawin - 625 Humboldt - 524 Notre Dame - 463 La Ronge - 352 league Average 677. Drop the Mic and walk away.
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Post by stars123 on Oct 21, 2015 12:29:44 GMT -6
People get out and support your local team.. My local team is in first place and has 5 of the top 10 scorers in the league and 4 98's.. Exciting team to watch..
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Post by SJfan15 on Oct 21, 2015 14:42:37 GMT -6
I have been to most of the Bruins games so far, I would say that's pretty accurate. Crowds are a LOT better than last season and are comparable to a couple of years ago when they would bring in 1000+ every game when the arena was newer.
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Post by snipe44 on Oct 21, 2015 22:22:30 GMT -6
At a recent home game the Bombers announced the attendance at 600 and ten minutes later the SJ website announces 681. They must add in GST and PST before submitting their final totals.
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Post by Beaverstreet on Oct 22, 2015 8:06:03 GMT -6
Nipawin - 625 Humboldt - 524 Notre Dame - 463 La Ronge - 352 league Average 677.
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Post by Statman on Oct 22, 2015 8:10:32 GMT -6
Beaver - couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the Board still doesn't believe in devaluating the ticket prices to get butts in the stands. So until they do this the team will continuously draw 300-500 fans/game.
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 22, 2015 8:55:10 GMT -6
Bombers announce 600 and league site says 681....uhmmm... so maybe league pads the stats???...or do they count both teams rosters, refs volunteers and concession workers etc for the extra 81, I suppose they do attend the game....I don't know but I see Bombers are middle of the pack in attendance...are the cost of season ticket prices a problem in other towns....or is attendance down all over the league. Is a $12 ticket acceptable but a $15 ticket is not. Over 27 games or so its an $81 difference in ticket prices. That is about 5 packs of smokes, 40 cups of coffee or 18 beer...in equivalent spending...from October to March or an extra $16 a month over a season or about 8 cups of coffee a month. But matters not, if fans feel its too much for a ticket, then it is too much for a ticket. I finally get that. I understand...but the team, the fans, the board, the volunteers are all in it together and have to find the happy medium to go forward and create a sustainable hockey club. It will come down to "players pay to play" as it is the only untapped source of revenue...the parents who have "paid to play" all the way up to this point in a kids hockey career. IMO L4D
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Post by stars123 on Oct 22, 2015 9:01:53 GMT -6
One thing I've wondered is.. The CCHL is a pay to play league.. So what happens when a player from the CCHL is traded to another league like the SJHL,BCHL, or AJHL? If that player paid say 5000 and all of a sudden he's traded, is he given his money back? I see no advantage to a pay to play league as players would go else where, where they don't have to pay..
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Post by outsider on Oct 22, 2015 9:47:19 GMT -6
One thing I've wondered is.. The CCHL is a pay to play league.. So what happens when a player from the CCHL is traded to another league like the SJHL,BCHL, or AJHL? If that player paid say 5000 and all of a sudden he's traded, is he given his money back? I see no advantage to a pay to play league as players would go else where, where they don't have to pay.. This is a part of hockey that leaves a lot to be desired. Greedy owners basically can do whatever they want, and it usually gets ugly. Not all teams are the same, there are some good ones that will refund, based on time played. Money is usually up front.
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Post by Beaverstreet on Oct 22, 2015 10:01:09 GMT -6
Many teams on the outskirts of the prairies are private owners, I would be willing to bet most prairie teams are community owned and operated.
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Post by SJfan15 on Oct 22, 2015 10:18:35 GMT -6
Oh and there would be no way that Notre Dame is out-attendencing anybody. They get about 30 fans a game.
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 22, 2015 11:12:12 GMT -6
But stars123, the current system is unsustainable, meaning it cant last...operating expenses go up every year....fans are saying they are about maxed out on their contribution in terms of season tickets...so you must either cut down on expenses or find new revenue streams. If parents pay for kids to play triple A hockey...they can pay for Junior A hockey. Imagine if parents had to pay 10K a year for Johnny to play Junior A, 23 on the roster is $230,000 in added revenue or $230,000 less in expenses. Then clubs will have the wiggle room for reduced dependence on season tickets, sponsors and volunteers. Try and think long term. If private ownership means kids will still get paid...then you form your own league, an outlaw league...like the WCHL was in the beginning. L4D
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Post by stars123 on Oct 22, 2015 12:26:55 GMT -6
There's better ways of doing it than have a pay to play league.. If kids are not getting scholarships or going to the next level there is not going to be very many parents throwing away 10 thousand a year for there son to play hockey.. They would go and play on senior teams or rec university teams or whatever.. Teams need to do fundraiser events or have events at the games that will draw people into the game.
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Post by flin987 on Oct 22, 2015 13:23:13 GMT -6
Agree with flin flon 123. Hopefully the big kid gets a good look to see want he can do for a rookie
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Post by walleye18 on Oct 22, 2015 13:28:42 GMT -6
Oh and there would be no way that Notre Dame is out-attendencing anybody. They get about 30 fans a game. I have attended games in Notre Dame where they were lucky if there were 100 people in the rink, and the attendance on the website says 400. Total BS.
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Post by left4deadinflfl on Oct 22, 2015 13:55:22 GMT -6
Parents throw away 10's of thousands of dollars a year on kids going no where in triple A programs all over the country. Teams need to do fundraiser events...they are doing that for years...fundraising accounts for 7-10% of the total income, your saying volunteers must do more because season ticket holders are tapped out. think about it. There are plenty of 17 year old players with parents playing the bill. More fundraising is not the way out of the current situation. Try again....stars123. L4D
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Post by lefty on Oct 22, 2015 16:56:36 GMT -6
This thread should have been called "the water cooler". More off topic conversation than on topic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 19:20:08 GMT -6
Most conversations that take place face to face move from one topic to another as the conversation elapses. The last time is spent 2 hrs talking and stayed on the same topic I was on trial!!! IMO these bomber threads are seem to stay informative, healthy and clean.
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Post by swkot on Oct 22, 2015 21:32:07 GMT -6
I can't really see an issue with the way topics eventually stray off course.
Go take a look at some of the forums for neighboring leagues. None of them can compare to the respectful and in depth discussions that take place here.
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Post by flinflon123 on Oct 22, 2015 23:33:46 GMT -6
I can edit the the title of the thread if it appeases the crowd!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 0:00:02 GMT -6
You might have to do that every 2 pages. BUT wait - don't take the bomber word out - the thread will die. Leave it there, this thing is sure to hit 15000 views
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Post by nofavorites on Oct 26, 2015 18:17:25 GMT -6
bombers trade 95 D joel webb to pentiction vees for 96 F Jason lavalee.
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