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Fiesel
Oct 12, 2015 9:44:00 GMT -6
Post by scorp on Oct 12, 2015 9:44:00 GMT -6
Go to a game and see actual attendance and not the contrived numbers that are put up.
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Fiesel
Oct 12, 2015 10:24:26 GMT -6
Post by swkot on Oct 12, 2015 10:24:26 GMT -6
According to DB Hockey the Mils are averaging more fans per game than last season. So are the fans that upset? Comparing the average of the first four games to the entire season wouldn't be indicative of much. I compared the same time period with the three prior seasons because they always open on a week night against Estevan and then play Yorkton on Thanksgiving weekend. This season's home opener was the best attended of the four seasons by a fair margin (over 200 more fans), and the attendance has dropped since. This season's four game average is the lowest of the four seasons, next closest was 13-14 which averaged 24 higher. The others were 90 and 91 higher. Additionally, the prior three seasons all had two Saturday games and two mid week games in the first four games played. This season they've had two Saturday games, a Friday game and a Thursday game. Fridays generally draw a better crowd than mid-week games (usually close to Saturday game numbers). And the real kicker? The Thanksgiving weekend Yorkton game only had an attendance of 803. That's lower than the average attendance for the season. It is also 494 fans less than the average of the same game played in the three prior seasons. I'd say the downward trend coupled with a 40% drop in fan interest in a rivalry game on a long weekend would certainly suggest that, yes, the fans are that upset. On another note, the second and third lines were clicking pretty good on Saturday and created a lot better chances than normal. I'm not sure Predinchuk and Kitt belong on the same line, they have similar work ethic only Kitt looks lost 75% of the time. Wells looked like he could potentially be the guy in net. He had me a little worried several times early in the first period as he seemed to end up on his back a lot. But after that he settled down. Pretty solid fundamentally aside from being a bit slow positioning his glove in the VH (and that's nitpicking). I'm not liking the fact that it appears as though Fiesel plans to keep Anderson around as the backup, unless Veitch was removed from the roster for number jugging purposes.
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Fiesel
Oct 23, 2015 22:11:38 GMT -6
Post by stripes on Oct 23, 2015 22:11:38 GMT -6
How Fiesel even has a coaching job is beyond laughable. No wonder the Mils have never won a championship in their 100+ years of futility. How has the team not fired this guy after reducing the team to a complete farce? His rodeo clown antics behind the bench make a complete travesty of the game of hockey but yet the city of Melville has put up with it for over a decade. What a joke of a franchise
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Fiesel
Oct 31, 2015 13:26:33 GMT -6
Post by ipeecoy on Oct 31, 2015 13:26:33 GMT -6
What's up with Fiesel's team won a couple games. I am thinking it's not is coaching but more like new goaltender stoping 45 plus shots a game.
Swkot, what's your take on the team ...
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Post by brewersdroop on Oct 31, 2015 15:56:15 GMT -6
How about my take? Goaltending is huge. Mind you, scoring seven and five against two pretty highly ranked clubs has nothing to do with goaltending. It has a lot to do with outworking the opposition. I wouldn't read to much into last night's shot total. Most of them were from well outside and weren't scoring chances. Wells is an excellent goalie though. Just not the only difference I'm seeing. Sorry you might have to call off your suicide watch.
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Fiesel
Oct 31, 2015 16:18:30 GMT -6
Post by swkot on Oct 31, 2015 16:18:30 GMT -6
Brewersdroop is right, goaltending is playing a huge part and I think it has affected the team mentally. This is kind of reminding me of the year Wakaluk came to the team with something to prove. Granted, that team didn't start off this bad but you knew their results weren't what they could be and goaltending was holding them back. I don't think Fiesel hitching his cart to a substandard Junior B goalie out of camp did the team any favours and it started to impact the way the team played. When team is so worried about being scored on, it seems to me that it takes away from the offensive game. Makes players over-think instead of doing the simple thing. Especially with a lot of new guys stepping into roles where they are expected to produce (Foyle, Filler, Stevens, Shaw). They look like they are playing with a lot more confidence rather than being on their heels, taking chances, throwing crap at the net. And it is working. They've picked up some ugly goals the last few weeks and those count all the same. I had them pegged as a middle of the pack team early and I'll stand by that. I'm still not sure they have what it takes to beat the top end teams consistently, but showing signs of improvement while getting younger is important.
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Fiesel
Nov 1, 2015 23:40:13 GMT -6
Post by stripes on Nov 1, 2015 23:40:13 GMT -6
Brewersdroop is right, goaltending is playing a huge part and I think it has affected the team mentally. This is kind of reminding me of the year Wakaluk came to the team with something to prove. Granted, that team didn't start off this bad but you knew their results weren't what they could be and goaltending was holding them back. I don't think Fiesel hitching his cart to a substandard Junior B goalie out of camp did the team any favours and it started to impact the way the team played. When team is so worried about being scored on, it seems to me that it takes away from the offensive game. Makes players over-think instead of doing the simple thing. Especially with a lot of new guys stepping into roles where they are expected to produce (Foyle, Filler, Stevens, Shaw). They look like they are playing with a lot more confidence rather than being on their heels, taking chances, throwing crap at the net. And it is working. They've picked up some ugly goals the last few weeks and those count all the same. I had them pegged as a middle of the pack team early and I'll stand by that. I'm still not sure they have what it takes to beat the top end teams consistently, but showing signs of improvement while getting younger is important. So the Mils will keep the Rodeo Clown around for another decade of finishing second to Yorkton? What a joke
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Fiesel
Nov 2, 2015 2:47:33 GMT -6
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Post by swkot on Nov 2, 2015 2:47:33 GMT -6
So the Mils will keep the Rodeo Clown around for another decade of finishing second to Yorkton? What a joke Neither written nor implied.
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Fiesel
Dec 12, 2015 23:58:52 GMT -6
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Post by swkot on Dec 12, 2015 23:58:52 GMT -6
Well this team might be lucky to pick up another 4 points before the deadline. Might as well start working those phones.......
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Fiesel
Dec 14, 2015 20:28:51 GMT -6
Post by scorp on Dec 14, 2015 20:28:51 GMT -6
All I want for Xmas is a new coach.
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Fiesel
Dec 16, 2015 8:09:50 GMT -6
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Post by mintonation on Dec 16, 2015 8:09:50 GMT -6
I get the negatively around Fiesel.....but on another note.....how does Trent Cassan hold on to his job?...I get that he won a national title....2 yrs ago...on Ed Zawatskys list..but the Honeymoon is over.....the Terriers are once again an awful team only this year there using the youth excuse ...hockey is certainly a what have you done for me lately mentality...and the reality is Cassan of late has done that...nothing!!!!
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Fiesel
Dec 16, 2015 9:55:58 GMT -6
Post by sjhlguy on Dec 16, 2015 9:55:58 GMT -6
Disagree. Yorkton has a few young players that they can build a nice core around. No need to fire a coach right now. All firing a coach does is reset the process.
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Fiesel
Dec 16, 2015 10:38:31 GMT -6
Post by terrierfan1 on Dec 16, 2015 10:38:31 GMT -6
I get the negatively around Fiesel.....but on another note.....how does Trent Cassan hold on to his job?...I get that he won a national title....2 yrs ago...on Ed Zawatskys list..but the Honeymoon is over.....the Terriers are once again an awful team only this year there using the youth excuse ...hockey is certainly a what have you done for me lately mentality...and the reality is Cassan of late has done that...nothing!!!! It wasn't Ed's list that won the National Title. That was all Chez.
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Fiesel
Dec 16, 2015 13:53:46 GMT -6
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Post by mintonation on Dec 16, 2015 13:53:46 GMT -6
I get the negatively around Fiesel.....but on another note.....how does Trent Cassan hold on to his job?...I get that he won a national title....2 yrs ago...on Ed Zawatskys list..but the Honeymoon is over.....the Terriers are once again an awful team only this year there using the youth excuse ...hockey is certainly a what have you done for me lately mentality...and the reality is Cassan of late has done that...nothing!!!! It wasn't Ed's list that won the National Title. That was all Chez. not a chance!....EZ was with the club until 2010...the core of the cup winning team was listed as 15 yr olds by him....All chess was doing back then was the rubber chicken circuit talking about how his mom wasn't sure what he wanted to be so she bought him two pairs of pyjamas one hockey and one cowboy....I will give him this ...he is good at fooling people!
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Fiesel
Dec 16, 2015 14:38:33 GMT -6
Post by benthere on Dec 16, 2015 14:38:33 GMT -6
So lets see what Trent has done lately.. Took over a team in 10 that was going nowhere and got to league final, 11 in takes team to league final 12 losses in playoffs to weyburn, 13 wins league title , 14 wins league wcc and national champion, 15 ends up in basement 16 to be determined, please name another coach in this league with that resume in 5 years not many i suggest. These listed players are turned over probably every 2 -3 years so hardly someone else team and even if it is some GM coaches in this league show they can recruit and never get the A recruits to be an A team look at melville or Flin Flon and both of these guys have been there a whole lot longer. I doubt very much of a honeymoon being over as Terrier fans can wait a year or two for another winner you dont win every year in junior hockey as you can look at list of winners in sjhl and dont see too many repeats. Seems like you enjoy Ches stories as you keep showing up to hear his stories of his sleepwear or do you come just for the chicken..
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 11:16:39 GMT -6
Post by scorp on Dec 20, 2015 11:16:39 GMT -6
0-9 to start the season.0-7 to close out before the Christmas break. Will someone please explain it to me why he is still coaching this team?
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 13:56:24 GMT -6
Post by brewersdroop on Dec 20, 2015 13:56:24 GMT -6
Who do you think they should hire? And you can't say "anyone" because that's a major league cop-out. Do you think people are lining up to take over junior hockey teams that struggle, both on the ice and financially? Do you think those that run the team would like to ensure there's a franchise next year and perhaps, buying out a coach's contract is something they don't feel they can afford to do at this point? Fans — real fans — aren't abandoning the team. The Mils were around fifth in the league in attendance, so maybe they know a little more about how this works than you think they do. For years you've stated you don't like Fiesel and everyone gets that, however, you can't start throwing around money you don't have in this day and age. Check your history. This is the coach that took the team to four of the seven league finals they've been to since 1971. The other three were '72, '77 and '93. So before Fiesel came along, it was 10 years since they'd played in a final and the last stretch prior was 16 years.
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 14:09:15 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Dec 20, 2015 14:09:15 GMT -6
Marlin Murray stepped down in dauphin.. Would love to see him in the SJHL.
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 14:38:14 GMT -6
Post by swkot on Dec 20, 2015 14:38:14 GMT -6
This is the coach that took the team to four of the seven league finals they've been to since 1971. The other three were '72, '77 and '93. So before Fiesel came along, it was 10 years since they'd played in a final and the last stretch prior was 16 years. They went to the final the year prior, not? Marlin Murray stepped down in dauphin.. Would love to see him in the SJHL. The Stars can have him!
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 15:15:23 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Dec 20, 2015 15:15:23 GMT -6
We already have the best in the business.. We don't need him.. Maybe as an assistant coach, we could use him. Or a manitobia scout..
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scorp
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 15:37:47 GMT -6
Post by scorp on Dec 20, 2015 15:37:47 GMT -6
They were never in contention in any of the 4 finals. Out played and out coached in everyone. You seem to swing back and forth in your support for Fiesel. Yes this team is struggling financially and keeping him is not helping matters. Attendance is going down you can see it at the games. He is in the last year of his contract so it would not be a big hit anyhow. Standing pat and doing nothing is not sending the right message to the fans that actually support this team.
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Fiesel
Dec 20, 2015 17:43:53 GMT -6
Post by icebandit on Dec 20, 2015 17:43:53 GMT -6
Who do you think they should hire? And you can't say "anyone" because that's a major league cop-out. Do you think people are lining up to take over junior hockey teams that struggle, both on the ice and financially? Do you think those that run the team would like to ensure there's a franchise next year and perhaps, buying out a coach's contract is something they don't feel they can afford to do at this point? Fans — real fans — aren't abandoning the team. The Mils were around fifth in the league in attendance, so maybe they know a little more about how this works than you think they do. For years you've stated you don't like Fiesel and everyone gets that, however, you can't start throwing around money you don't have in this day and age. Check your history. This is the coach that took the team to four of the seven league finals they've been to since 1971. The other three were '72, '77 and '93. So before Fiesel came along, it was 10 years since they'd played in a final and the last stretch prior was 16 years. Steve Young
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Fiesel
Dec 21, 2015 13:13:32 GMT -6
Post by swkot on Dec 21, 2015 13:13:32 GMT -6
Haven't heard much about Bear and Hansen's injuries. Are they going to be ready to go after Christmas or are they long term?
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Fiesel
Dec 21, 2015 18:19:36 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 18:19:36 GMT -6
Steve Young? I think he is busy as an assistant coach on an atom girls team in PA. Guys get excited when a man moves from the SJ to the Dub. From atom girls to the SJ would be a big step!
LOL Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone
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Fiesel
Dec 22, 2015 4:54:10 GMT -6
Post by ipeecoy on Dec 22, 2015 4:54:10 GMT -6
Why would you hire Stevey Young, if I could remember he turned his back and walked away from the Melville team, just at the the point when he finally started to get his coaching together with a very good team.
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Fiesel
Dec 22, 2015 6:45:57 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Dec 22, 2015 6:45:57 GMT -6
You really can't get mad at a guy for advancing his career.
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Fiesel
Dec 22, 2015 19:51:31 GMT -6
Post by sjhockeyfan on Dec 22, 2015 19:51:31 GMT -6
They were never in contention in any of the 4 finals. Out played and out coached in everyone. You seem to swing back and forth in your support for Fiesel. Yes this team is struggling financially and keeping him is not helping matters. Attendance is going down you can see it at the games. He is in the last year of his contract so it would not be a big hit anyhow. Standing pat and doing nothing is not sending the right message to the fans that actually support this team. I equate these posts to the "Fire Martin" and "Whats wrong with the Hawks" threads. Both of those teams are doing exceptionally well and a lock for the playoffs. They had a brief rough patch and everyone jumps all over them. Feisel cannot have an SJHL finals worthy team every year because he is human. He has traded some players away for cash this year, according to this forum, most likely because that is what he has been asked to do by his board. He has a few pieces left which he should trade for cash or futures as determined by his board. Cut the guy some slack, he has perimeters to operate within which restrict his ability to create a championship team year after year. Just my two cents.....
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Fiesel
Dec 26, 2015 20:34:57 GMT -6
Post by ipeecoy on Dec 26, 2015 20:34:57 GMT -6
You really can't get mad at a guy for advancing his career. Yes your right Stars , right to girls atom team ...
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Fiesel
Dec 27, 2015 1:57:01 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Dec 27, 2015 1:57:01 GMT -6
He left Melville to go and coach the WHL.
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Fiesel
Dec 27, 2015 20:47:08 GMT -6
Post by klipperman on Dec 27, 2015 20:47:08 GMT -6
Everyone wants to fire the coach when they have a bad patch. Remember yes there are probably better coaches out there, but there's more that are worse.
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