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Post by bazzer on Dec 31, 2015 21:25:50 GMT -6
Good game tonight in Kindersley, Stars just to strong. Nice to see a game with out the extra curricular stuff. Like you get when the Bomber gong show comes to town, lol. Oh and no new Goalie in sight. Give it a rest all ready bazzer. Did one of the Bombers beat up your little brother that game. .dont read it if you don't like it.
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Post by bombcrew on Dec 31, 2015 21:44:38 GMT -6
Give it a rest all ready bazzer. Did one of the Bombers beat up your little brother that game. .dont read it if you don't like it. Hard not too. You're whining about it in every other post. I'm sure your little brother will be OK we'll tell the big bad Bombers to leave him alone.
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Post by bazzer on Dec 31, 2015 22:25:00 GMT -6
.dont read it if you don't like it. Hard not too. You're whining about in every other post. I'm sure your little brother will be OK we'll tell the big bad Bombers to leave him
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Post by bazzer on Dec 31, 2015 22:26:03 GMT -6
Don't feel you have to comment then. Anyway a good game to watch tonight.
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Post by stars123 on Jan 1, 2016 16:19:01 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 22:03:04 GMT -6
Wasn't at game but box scores read rewerts and katchorek.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 20:00:37 GMT -6
Rewerts. 4 goals against in last two games after returning from injury. Respectful, I think so. 2 wins. I hope he has regained his start of the season form. I don't think hearing his coach on the radio saying he lost his confidence did him any good. *things you shouldn't say in public* Little mind game, maybe, but keep it in the room. Still think he's our #1 tender I would like to see a proven tender brought in for the run to the cup, with Rewerts backing up. I'm not sure if they could actually find a proven goalie like that. Don't think there are a lot of available kids from sjhl other than maybe thibadeau.
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Post by Firefighter68 on Jan 15, 2016 21:58:28 GMT -6
Sure glad the stars have the refs on their side what a joke of a referee job
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Post by saskgolf on Jan 15, 2016 23:20:55 GMT -6
Well I hope they stay on their side for the rest of the season.
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Post by stars123 on Jan 15, 2016 23:24:27 GMT -6
Hell of a game... Playoff like.. He's mad about Youngs goal.. He was on breakaway fell into goal and puck went in.. Fuhr was spectacular.. Made a couple of highlight reels.
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Post by weyburn12 on Jan 15, 2016 23:48:11 GMT -6
Sure glad the stars have the refs on their side what a joke of a referee job Box score shows stars 2 penalties, wings 4 penalties. All obvious calls. Stars 0/4, wings 1/2. Looks like wings won the pp chances. 6 total penalties, sounded like a well played game by both teams. What is the issue? I am not one to complain about reffing very often. I feel its a poor excuse for a loss, complaining about penalties.. HOWEVER... Nothing wrong with the reffing in terms of penalties tonight... but the goals, oh god the GOALS. Every goal the Stars scored tonight was controversial. Such a messed up game. Stars 1st goal - MAY have been kicked in. It appeared Gorgi was sliding to a stop and the puck deflected off his skate and went in. Some say it was kicked rather than deflected. Fine. I can understand why it was counted, as it was iffy. No discussion with linesmen after, either. Stars 2nd goal - No one knows what happened, but the puck did not come anywhere close to going in the net. Burgart stopped the puck, the ref blew the play dead and put both hands in the air. The Stars sorta slowly started celebrating for some reason.. the ref skated in circles for 30 seconds, then went over to the penalty box to GIVE NUMBERS. He did not motion a goal at all. red light did not go on. In all my years I have never actually seen a real life ghost-goal. I thought they were only a myth! Since when did refs not have to motion goals anymore? And again, no talk with linesmen to ask what they saw. Thoma starts going off on the ref as expected. I can't blame him. Stars OT Goal - I was sitting in section F so I had an alright view of what happened but I'm not God so I could be wrong. From what I saw, Burgart trapped the puck under his left pad. Sat on it for what felt like 5-6 seconds. Ref would not blow the whistle. Lots of pushing and shoving, slashing, you name it. Net comes off it's moorings, Burgart is then pushed into the net along with the puck that's under his pads. HOWEVER the goal light did go on. Who knows if it was a mistake, but that's the only reason the ref counted it I think. He didn't even point at the net. He pointed at the light and then went home to drink beers. Not here to start fights. This is what I saw and I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if proven so. Wings usually release the video highlights a few hours after the game.
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Post by FlyersandRiders on Jan 15, 2016 23:49:48 GMT -6
Smith is too slow to referee a game by himself. The penalties were not the problem - all were warranted as I saw. The fact that the only goal that he was in the offensive zone for was Weyburn's power play goal is the problem. Stars first goal was kicked in - he had no clue he was still at the red line. Stars second goal he was just crossing the blue line and didn't even make a motion no idea it was in except that the Stars were celebrating so he asked the linesman who scored. Third goal in overtime another breakaway and the Stars player pushed Burgart into the net with the puck under him and the net off it's moorings - he came cruising in and counted it.
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Post by weyburn12 on Jan 16, 2016 0:04:11 GMT -6
Looks like highlights are already up. I was a little off on my descriptions. FlyersandRiders was more accurate than I. Did I mention I had had a few pops at the game? (the grown up kind)
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Post by stars123 on Jan 16, 2016 0:23:57 GMT -6
The first 2 goals I don't see anything wrong with... The last goal was a scramble in front and you can see the puck did go in the goal, did 24 push young into the goal? Why was there no call when the player deliberately took the net off? There were calls both ways.
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Post by snipe44 on Jan 16, 2016 2:38:42 GMT -6
Jesus, you homers just can't throw an unbiased comment out there can you? Stars, no, 24 didn't push young into the goal. He fell in all on his own. It wasn't a scramble. He flat out fell and took out the goalie and managed to get the puck across the line in the process. If you slow it down you can see burgart make the stick save before getting plowed into. Why is it so hard to admit when your team gets a break? Every team gets them from time to time. Instead you have to resort to the 10 year old response with all the "but what about what they got away with" Either way, if Fuhr keeps kicking all his rebounds into scoring zones you won't have to worry about coming up with excuses too deep into the playoffs.
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Post by sjstatsguy on Jan 16, 2016 12:56:20 GMT -6
The North Stars have had 262 power plays this season......the Red Wings have had 149.......that's almost three extra power plays a game, a very significant number.....I've been assuming the North Stars have been getting all those extra man advantages because teams are struggling to contain their offensive explosiveness, but when you remove the PP goals, SH goals, the empty netters and the shootout winners (SJHL includes that in the team Goals For number), these teams are almost dead even in even-strength goals (2.05/game for Weyburn; 2.00/game for Battlefords)......so the Red Wings obviously have no more trouble getting to the dangerous scoring areas than the Stars, yet they've received 113 fewer power plays this season.....as stars123 likes to say, "weird".
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Post by weyburn12 on Jan 16, 2016 12:59:34 GMT -6
I would like to mention the Stars are crazy when it comes to puck possession. I bet they had the puck 60-70% of the time last night.
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Post by stars123 on Jan 16, 2016 13:16:24 GMT -6
The North Stars have had 262 power plays this season......the Red Wings have had 149.......that's almost three extra power plays a game, a very significant number.....I've been assuming the North Stars have been getting all those extra man advantages because teams are struggling to contain their offensive explosiveness, but when you remove the PP goals, SH goals, the empty netters and the shootout winners (SJHL includes that in the team Goals For number), these teams are almost dead even in even-strength goals (2.05/game for Weyburn; 2.00/game for Battlefords)......so the Red Wings obviously have no more trouble getting to the dangerous scoring areas than the Stars, yet they've received 113 fewer power plays this season.....as stars123 likes to say, "weird". When you have a team like Battlefords that have explosive speed and tremendous puck possession it becomes a night mare for opposing teams to defend against, creating Powerplay opportunities..
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Post by sjstatsguy on Jan 16, 2016 13:16:49 GMT -6
I would like to mention the Stars are crazy when it comes to puck possession. I bet they had the puck 60-70% of the time last night. That is a very good point......teams that have the puck have a better chance of drawing penalties......entering the week, the North Stars had a league-best estimated shot attempt percentage of 57.4%; Weyburn was at 51.1% for the season......incidentally, that number the North Stars have been putting up is well within the range of previous league champions......last year's Mustangs were at 57.9% and the RBC Cup-winning Terriers of 2014 were at 56.1%, both league bests.
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Post by sjstatsguy on Jan 16, 2016 13:50:48 GMT -6
The North Stars have had 262 power plays this season......the Red Wings have had 149.......that's almost three extra power plays a game, a very significant number.....I've been assuming the North Stars have been getting all those extra man advantages because teams are struggling to contain their offensive explosiveness, but when you remove the PP goals, SH goals, the empty netters and the shootout winners (SJHL includes that in the team Goals For number), these teams are almost dead even in even-strength goals (2.05/game for Weyburn; 2.00/game for Battlefords)......so the Red Wings obviously have no more trouble getting to the dangerous scoring areas than the Stars, yet they've received 113 fewer power plays this season.....as stars123 likes to say, "weird". When you have a team like Battlefords that have explosive speed and tremendous puck possession it becomes a night mare for opposing teams to defend against, creating Powerplay opportunities.. Agreed, but it doesn't explain why the gap between the Stars and Wings is so large.......the Red Wings are top-5 in the possession numbers, too, but are dead last in drawing penalties behind even Humboldt, Melville and Yorkton......other top 5 possession teams (like Melfort and Nipawin) are getting much more power plays than the Wings, even though the Wings are having no trouble scoring at even strength......also, while the North Stars' shot metrics are very good, you would be hard-pressed to find teams from previous years with similar numbers enjoying the number of power play opportunities they've been getting.....the best explanation I can come up with (without getting into conspiracy theory territory) is that the Red Wings have been involved in far fewer blowouts than the North Stars have been in this season, and the Stars' power play chances have been padded by teams taking out their frustrations late in games......but that 113 power play differential between the Wings and Stars is still difficult to explain.
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Post by sjstatsguy on Jan 16, 2016 16:59:05 GMT -6
When you have a team like Battlefords that have explosive speed and tremendous puck possession it becomes a night mare for opposing teams to defend against, creating Powerplay opportunities.. Agreed, but it doesn't explain why the gap between the Stars and Wings is so large.......the Red Wings are top-5 in the possession numbers, too, but are dead last in drawing penalties behind even Humboldt, Melville and Yorkton......other top 5 possession teams (like Melfort and Nipawin) are getting much more power plays than the Wings, even though the Wings are having no trouble scoring at even strength......also, while the North Stars' shot metrics are very good, you would be hard-pressed to find teams from previous years with similar numbers enjoying the number of power play opportunities they've been getting.....the best explanation I can come up with (without getting into conspiracy theory territory) is that the Red Wings have been involved in far fewer blowouts than the North Stars have been in this season, and the Stars' power play chances have been padded by teams taking out their frustrations late in games......but that 113 power play differential between the Wings and Stars is still difficult to explain. Two more points......even the North Stars play most of the game at even strength, so why isn't the North Stars' speed, puck possession and offence translating into more even strength goals than the Red Wings?........the thing about shot metrics at the SJHL level is there is no way to separate what's happening at even strength from what's happening with the man advantage......so the North Stars' possession stats are getting a real boost from the sheer number of power plays they receive.....what's the shot differential in an average power play, maybe 3-0 or 4-0?......multiply that by the three extra power plays they are getting (more than the Red Wings) and that is going to impact the shot percentages we're seeing.....without question, the Stars are a very good possession team, still likely the best in the SJHL......but we're not getting a normal read on the situation from a numbers standpoint because of the disparity in power play chances we're seeing this season.
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Post by myopinion on Jan 16, 2016 21:42:27 GMT -6
Now I know Thoma either reads or posts on this forum-he repeated many of these puck possession stats and penalty discrepancies on his pregame interview on mustang game
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Post by stars123 on Jan 16, 2016 22:40:55 GMT -6
Nice to see Stars 4th line score all 3 goals tonight..
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Post by swkot on Jan 16, 2016 23:17:28 GMT -6
Now I know Thoma either reads or posts on this forum-he repeated many of these puck possession stats and penalty discrepancies on his pregame interview on mustang game A person would be hard pressed not to. Way better info here than the league website.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 9:16:09 GMT -6
I see that fuhr is really pushing the 2 previous goalies from the stars. No longer pushing but he is the starter for all intense purposes. Why wouldn't the NS have traded one of there goalies away? The way this was done especially after the trade deadline looks bad on the stars...IMO. They out shoot ND 60 to 28?? That is ridiculous, and honestly the chances ND had were weak....perimeter shots. Still not sure about if this new guy is the real deal, especially when I've watched him enough to know that he's not the upgrade that everyone was whining to get. That was always the main topic up in the Civic lounge when I was up there...."We need a 20yr old goalie". Yet the team success is the youth movement, my question to the NS brass would be this? If Katchorek wins the rookie of the year, and sits on the bench in playoffs, what message does that send to him?
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Post by stars123 on Jan 17, 2016 9:36:41 GMT -6
How does it look bad?? When you have a chance to get better and to get a veteran goalie for nothing, you have to go for it.. Fuhr is a good goalie.. Every team he's played on has been basically below .500 teams.. And he's been able to have decent numbers. Yes youth is great, but when you have a kid that played AA midget last season and didn't make the playoffs it's kind of an unknown.. How would he perform in the big games? Kotchorek will get His chance next season... Having a veteran 20 year old there, you can pick up things that they do, and learn.. He's gonna be good.. Both goalies are eligible to return next season..
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Post by thegreat1 on Jan 17, 2016 10:07:04 GMT -6
Stars big year in theory should be next year. Three goalies is bad news. Both returning goalies will be sour. I would've stuck it out with them to get them experience next year. Their playoff experience this year will be zero now. So same boat next year right stars123?
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Post by stars123 on Jan 17, 2016 10:46:36 GMT -6
I can't see anyone being sour.. It's no different than Melfort or Estevan sitting younger players for the 20 year olds they acquired... Competition is never a bad thing.. Yes next year Battlefords are gonna have a hell of a team.. But look at the players we lose this year... Igor,Mcmillen,Gorgi,Delainey,Weist,Kanter, Davidson... That's a pretty big chunk.. You gotta go for it and don't sell the farm... Kevin's done a tremendous job of it... As for next years goalies it'll be exciting to see as the pipeline is very deep..
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Post by FlyersandRiders on Jan 17, 2016 11:19:06 GMT -6
How does it look bad?? When you have a chance to get better and to get a veteran goalie for nothing, you have to go for it.. Fuhr is a good goalie.. Every team he's played on has been basically below .500 teams.. And he's been able to have decent numbers. Yes youth is great, but when you have a kid that played AA midget last season and didn't make the playoffs it's kind of an unknown.. How would he perform in the big games? Kotchorek will get His chance next season... Having a veteran 20 year old there, you can pick up things that they do, and learn.. He's gonna be good.. Both goalies are eligible to return next season.. Good numbers is a lot different than making the key save that wins your TEAM the big game. We will see if that is Fuhr's game or not I guess. Maybe his teams that were below .500 were just a key save away in some games? I personally don't like adding 20's just because they are 20's, they have to make your team better. In the Stars case, they were leading the league with their young guys - why mess with the formula that got you there? What if he gets hurt and the other two goalies have lost their fire from sitting and watching?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 11:48:55 GMT -6
How does it look bad?? When you have a chance to get better and to get a veteran goalie for nothing, you have to go for it.. Fuhr is a good goalie.. Every team he's played on has been basically below .500 teams.. And he's been able to have decent numbers. Yes youth is great, but when you have a kid that played AA midget last season and didn't make the playoffs it's kind of an unknown.. How would he perform in the big games? Kotchorek will get His chance next season... Having a veteran 20 year old there, you can pick up things that they do, and learn.. He's gonna be good.. Both goalies are eligible to return next season.. This is how.....3 weeks ago brett Clark who played for what I would consider a weak team had a sv% of 906. Fuhr who you know played on a winning team, as a veteran, had a 889 sv% before being picked up by stars. If Clark wasn't good enough, how is Fuhr? He was last in the goalie stat column! If he is the miracle cure to hush the critics so be it I guess. But he is not any better than the 2 guys they have. Shelving them in favour of him shows me they weren't happy with situation and should have dealt a goalie.
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