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Nov 27, 2018 10:26:08 GMT -6
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Post by kowboy on Nov 27, 2018 10:26:08 GMT -6
The Wings should have a big advantage over the Mils now for a playoff spot but is the last playoff spot worth buying at any cost? Why would Soar want to go from a non contender to another non contender? If you look at the games the Wings have been losing, its 1 goal or 2 with an empty netter The suspensions and injuries all hit at once and they really took a toll on the team by looks of things I still think this is a very dangerous team The offensive system needs to be more aggressive for sure And they need at least 1 more offensive player to play with Kowalski Along with 1 more D man (preferably 19/20) They HAVE to split this weeks games to show they are still a team to contend with If they can’t win at least 2 of the games this road trip ...I’d agree that it’s looking grim
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Post by mts on Nov 27, 2018 11:29:09 GMT -6
I agree Kowboy...but even 2 or 3 points on the road trip wouldbe ok and then make hay on a long home stand.
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Nov 27, 2018 11:38:48 GMT -6
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Post by kowboy on Nov 27, 2018 11:38:48 GMT -6
I agree Kowboy...but even 2 or 3 points on the road trip wouldbe ok and then make hay on a long home stand. Good point Lots of Home games to come
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Nov 27, 2018 21:15:40 GMT -6
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Post by kowboy on Nov 27, 2018 21:15:40 GMT -6
The Wings should have a big advantage over the Mils now for a playoff spot but is the last playoff spot worth buying at any cost? Why would Soar want to go from a non contender to another non contender? If you look at the games the Wings have been losing, its 1 goal or 2 with an empty netter The suspensions and injuries all hit at once and they really took a toll on the team by looks of things I still think this is a very dangerous team The offensive system needs to be more aggressive for sure And they need at least 1 more offensive player to play with Kowalski Along with 1 more D man (preferably 19/20) They HAVE to split this weeks games to show they are still a team to contend with If they can’t win at least 2 of the games this road trip ...I’d agree that it’s looking grim Ok...it’s looking grim so far
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Post by rhodes2291 on Nov 28, 2018 21:54:45 GMT -6
Nice to see Red Light Lamb in fine form tonight. Attachments:
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Nov 28, 2018 21:56:28 GMT -6
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Post by stars123 on Nov 28, 2018 21:56:28 GMT -6
Wasn’t he supposed to be the best goalie in the league?
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Post by winger on Nov 28, 2018 22:04:31 GMT -6
4 wins in their last 20 games, Very frustrating. I would like to hear suggestions from people on here what moves they would make to make the Red Wings a better team? And go.. There are people on here with a lot more hockey knowledge than me.
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Nov 28, 2018 22:26:34 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 22:26:34 GMT -6
Wasn’t he supposed to be the best goalie in the league? Man I think he’s no where near the problem. He’s probably been one of the bright spots on that team. He can’t do it himself?? Last 2 games they’ve snored....meant to say scored but snored is better...but only 2 goals? Actually if they would trade him they’d probably get a very good return for him. I’d say coaching and gm may be a problem, not positive but I’m sure it’s not a great atmosphere in that room. I hope they can turn it around cause we don’t need another team in turmoil!!!
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Nov 28, 2018 22:28:59 GMT -6
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Post by Jacques LeCoque Grande on Nov 28, 2018 22:28:59 GMT -6
After tonight I'd say Weyburn looked like they were giving up. Your coach is psychotic and makes himself look like a fool. I see it every time the Wings are here. Screams, rants, raves whatever. Maybe the team is quitting on him I don't know. But that score tonight flattered Weyburn. Send Ty Brown here so he can play where daddy did.
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Post by reddragons on Nov 28, 2018 22:40:27 GMT -6
Lamb might be the worst goalie ever to come back from the WHL plus he is a complete basket case just like his coach. Maybe Wes and Riley should see if they are making Happy Gilmore 2 and they can have minor roles in that movie just like Wes did in the original and they both do on their team right now.
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Nov 28, 2018 22:59:28 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 22:59:28 GMT -6
Lamb might be the worst goalie ever to come back from the WHL plus he is a complete basket case just like his coach. Maybe Wes and Riley should see if they are making Happy Gilmore 2 and they can have minor roles in that movie just like Wes did in the original and they both do on their team right now. The games I watched the only reason they were 1 goal games was because of him.
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Nov 28, 2018 23:37:29 GMT -6
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Post by rhodes2291 on Nov 28, 2018 23:37:29 GMT -6
Wasn’t he supposed to be the best goalie in the league? Like I said before, hands down the worst goaltending in the league. Not even close. A shooter tutor would put up better numbers.
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Nov 29, 2018 1:36:53 GMT -6
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Post by archer on Nov 29, 2018 1:36:53 GMT -6
Wasn’t he supposed to be the best goalie in the league? Like I said before, hands down the worst goaltending in the league. Not even close. A shooter tutor would put up better numbers. Whether tongue in cheek or not, I don't see the necessity of disparaging a player at this level for not having the results you expect There is no need for it
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Nov 29, 2018 1:47:34 GMT -6
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Post by archer on Nov 29, 2018 1:47:34 GMT -6
4 wins in their last 20 games, Very frustrating. I would like to hear suggestions from people on here what moves they would make to make the Red Wings a better team? And go.. There are people on here with a lot more hockey knowledge than me. Unfortunately it appears to be blow er up and rebuild time?! Some very desirable pieces that other teams would covet I'm sure Lamb, despite some opinion on here and resent results would definitely be of interest to some MJHL clubs although I think Dauphin had his rights there if I'm not mistaken? Kowalski, their Captain who's headed to college next fall is an expiring asset that would be a huge offensive addition to a contender in the SJ (insert Humboldt, Kindersley, Flon Flon, Melfort etc here) MJHL or AJHL Brown, Olson, Petrie, Anderson are 20 yr olds that could land a younger player or draft pick to aid in the 2019/20 campaign Still leaves Hiltz, Kazamyra, Lesveque, Scheschul, Schwean, Szeremely, Cruise, Pyne, Robertson and Couture for a base next year Still not sure WTF happened this season though?!
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Post by Firefighter68 on Nov 29, 2018 8:35:54 GMT -6
4 wins in their last 20 games, Very frustrating. I would like to hear suggestions from people on here what moves they would make to make the Red Wings a better team? And go.. There are people on here with a lot more hockey knowledge than me. Unfortunately it appears to be blow er up and rebuild time?! Some very desirable pieces that other teams would covet I'm sure Lamb, despite some opinion on here and resent results would definitely be of interest to some MJHL clubs although I think Dauphin had his rights there if I'm not mistaken? Kowalski, their Captain who's headed to college next fall is an expiring asset that would be a huge offensive addition to a contender in the SJ (insert Humboldt, Kindersley, Flon Flon, Melfort etc here) MJHL or AJHL Brown, Olson, Petrie, Anderson are 20 yr olds that could land a younger player or draft pick to aid in the 2019/20 campaign Still leaves Hiltz, Kazamyra, Lesveque, Scheschul, Schwean, Szeremely, Cruise, Pyne, Robertson and Couture for a base next year Still not sure WTF happened this season though?! ONE WORD "COACH" TIME TO KILL THE WES EXPERIMENT.
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Post by redwingfan91 on Nov 29, 2018 9:48:37 GMT -6
Couldn't agree with you more. It is time for Wes to go! He has lost this team. Just don't like his style of coaching.
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Post by thedagger on Nov 29, 2018 10:10:37 GMT -6
Two weeks into the season people were talking about how the Wings were getting easily out coached. The players have realized it, and they've quit on him . It's very disappointing, this should have been a great year with the talent they had on paper.
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Post by hockeylife99 on Nov 29, 2018 11:55:29 GMT -6
I don't follow the Wings and don't know Wes but a legitimate question as I have coached in the past (Not at a junior level). What is the issue with the coaching style, what is the problem, communication with players, hockey knowledge, desire, systems?
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Nov 29, 2018 12:31:28 GMT -6
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Post by klipperman on Nov 29, 2018 12:31:28 GMT -6
I don't follow the Wings and don't know Wes but a legitimate question as I have coached in the past (Not at a junior level). What is the issue with the coaching style, what is the problem, communication with players, hockey knowledge, desire, systems? Or maybe they are like whining employees who complain about their boss. You still have a job to do. No one like a lazy quitter!!!
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Post by kowboy on Nov 29, 2018 12:42:17 GMT -6
I don't follow the Wings and don't know Wes but a legitimate question as I have coached in the past (Not at a junior level). What is the issue with the coaching style, what is the problem, communication with players, hockey knowledge, desire, systems? Or maybe they are like whining employees who complain about their boss. You still have a job to do. No one like a lazy quitter!!! Under a lot of circumstances I completely agree with you Klipperman Not sure I can here It’s 17-20 yr old young men that need to be taught, motivated and inspired to success That’s the job. Like it or not I have adult employees and this still occurs It’s my responsibility to ensure it is minimized and results are achieved If an “employee” (this IS a business after all) doesn’t perform I have options When it’s time to cut bait and begin over with a plan for success, then that becomes my new reality Laronge and Melville are in similar situations but with less talent to trade than Weyburn If Lewgood didn’t have the tenure and respect, they may also be in a similar situation
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Post by archer on Dec 2, 2018 12:23:02 GMT -6
Gutsy performance by the Wings last night Nice to see the boys there haven't mailed er in and still fighting hard Maybe these tough times of late galvanize the group and they can make a push in the 2nd half ?!
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Post by rhodes2291 on Dec 2, 2018 15:56:57 GMT -6
Two weeks into the season people were talking about how the Wings were getting easily out coached. The players have realized it, and they've quit on him . It's very disappointing, this should have been a great year with the talent they had on paper. When do you think they’re gonna fire Wes? 5 wins in their last 22 or whatever? I wish I could be bad at my job and not face any kind of consequences lol
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Dec 2, 2018 16:18:04 GMT -6
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Post by archer on Dec 2, 2018 16:18:04 GMT -6
I always try to look at the inter-personal factor with both players and executive when discussing transactions or dismissals It shouldn't be an easy thing. In either situation Some one losing their job, especially this close to the holidays should be a difficult decision for anyone The Wings organization has historically done things in a first class manner from everything I've seen/heard I'd expect due diligence is being paid to all factors there Windle losing his job in Melville may have seemed overdue from a fans perspective but I'm sure organizationally it was gut wrenching
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Dec 3, 2018 18:44:50 GMT -6
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Post by sjhockeyfan on Dec 3, 2018 18:44:50 GMT -6
I remember a fairly heated back and forth debate a couple years ago over Weyburn goalies getting run with intent to injure. It looks like there may have been something to this argument or is it “fake news”. Carter Phairs mother is testifying in front of parliament sub committee about the subject. Not great publicity for the league obviously. The article I read does not have any evidence to support it although perhaps there is more to come. The so called “hit list” that the coach had is a stretch likely, but not inconceivable. Thoughts from anyone in the know from Weyburn/Kindersley? I am not spreading rumour here, see the CBC news, CTV etc for today’s articles.
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Post by ygafi on Dec 3, 2018 19:05:51 GMT -6
I remember a fairly heated back and forth debate a couple years ago over Weyburn goalies getting run with intent to injure. It looks like there may have been something to this argument or is it “fake news”. Carter Phairs mother is testifying in front of parliament sub committee about the subject. Not great publicity for the league obviously. The article I read does not have any evidence to support it although perhaps there is more to come. The so called “hit list” that the coach had is a stretch likely, but not inconceivable. Thoughts from anyone in the know from Weyburn/Kindersley? I am not spreading rumour here, see the CBC news, CTV etc for today’s articles. You are correct. Both Anne and Carter were asked by their local MP to testify to the House of Commons subcommittee on concussion in sport. It wasn't about "bad publicity" for the league. If you heard the interview with Steven Wilson on Discover Weyburn (and it is posted there for anyone who would like to listen), she said, "There's nothing in this for Carter but we hope we can help make things safer for future athletes." I also watched their presentation at the committee meeting. They presented changes to the subcommittee that they said could have prevented Carter's injuries including helmet issues, rule changes like the IIHF crease rule, increased suspensions, and the need for more medical professionals who understand concussions. I think the media is to blame for running away with the "Hitlist" comment as it was not the biggest part of their presentation by any stretch. Anything to sensationalize things!
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Dec 3, 2018 21:32:21 GMT -6
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Post by ygafi on Dec 3, 2018 21:32:21 GMT -6
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Dec 3, 2018 21:51:11 GMT -6
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Post by kowboy on Dec 3, 2018 21:51:11 GMT -6
Is it really inconceivable that the man in question had a hit list??!! Be careful on the answer because history makes fools of those too far on either side of the fence of any argument I don’t know ...yet but I bet time is gonna tell us
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Dec 3, 2018 22:05:20 GMT -6
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Post by swkot on Dec 3, 2018 22:05:20 GMT -6
While I agree with the desired outcome, some of the testimony from Anne looks like a lot of finger pointing, especially the bits about his mask.
Who should be responsible for ensuring that a player is outfitted with a quality helmet, if not the parents themselves?
I'm not entirely sure what Carter wore in midget, but I found several photos of him from his days with the Maulers. In one he is wearing a Hackva, which was a very well built mask. In the others he was wearing a Bauer, which makes it tough to tell exactly what model he was wearing. I'm fairly certain it was an NME, but it could have been an NME3, NME5, NME7 or NME9. The 3 and 5 are polycarbonate shells and I would agree shouldn't be worn above peewee. But there is no oversight on this aside from the parents or player doing their research to ensure they are wearing a quality mask.
If anything this brings up a broader scope of discussion. Right now the CSA is the governing body that approves helmets and masks for use in sanctioned hockey in Canada. The CSA is a double edged sword. CCM, Vaughn and Bauer all have polycarbonate masks that meet CSA standards, but if NHL goalies were wearing these things their brains would be mush in short order. In order for masks to receive CSA approval, the manufacturer pays some pretty hefty fees for the testing. This makes it very cost prohibitive for smaller manufacturers to maintain a family run business model while producing at a large enough volume to compete with the big companies. Arguably the best value mask is Canada is made by Michel Doganieri of Protechsport. He runs a small scale operation and custom fits his masks based on face molds. $335 for a fiberglass mask, $495 for a fiberglass mask that is reinforced with Kevlar in the chin, and $660 for a mask that is primarily made with Kevlar. The fiberglass and Kevlar mask would be close to on par with Bauer and CCM's best masks at half the price. But they aren't approved for sanctioned hockey in either the USA or Canada because he won't pay for the testing, which in turn keeps his costs low enough to stay in business. His primary market is building masks for NHL and other professional level goalies, but he also gets a lot of business from beer leaguers who don't have to comply with CSA or HECC certifications.
The CSA and HECC approval processes has driven a lot of smaller mask builders out of the market in the last decade or so. Eddy, Olie, and Hackva to name a few. Sportmask and Otny recently joined forces in an effort to remain competitive in today's market.
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Post by ned on Dec 3, 2018 22:46:33 GMT -6
I heard the testimony. You can't blame parents who went to a high end store and asked the right questions of the salesman, who knew the level Carter was playing at. She said it was $1000 mask - the most expensive one in the store. If Oil Kings had of given him a proper fitting helmet to wear all the time, and not just during games, the first concussion wouldn't have happened. Paid trainers and equipment managers should have known better. System failed this family who only tried to give him the best. A system they want fixed for the next guy. You don't testify for this committee for revenge. The only reason to do this is to help fix a broken system and the only way to do that is to tell your story the way it happened. You have to show how things go wrong so maybe the same thing doesn't happen to the next guy. I applaud them for reliving all the crap they went through for the benefit of others. I hope something productive comes out of it. The others that testified sounded like they wanted hitting taken out of hockey completely. Now that's something to argue with.
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Dec 3, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -6
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Post by swkot on Dec 3, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -6
Now that I've had a chance to listen to that interview, I'm even more curious as to why the mask Carter used was deemed to be unsafe for that level of play. Being that it was a $1000 mask, it was likely Bauer's highest end model which is used by a substantial number of goalies at the Junior A level and above. Only two things could have excluded it from use, regardless of level of hockey, are improper fit or structural damage to the shell. Both of which fall on the user and nobody else. It would be exceedingly rare to find a sales associate who could truly assess the fit of a goalie's mask, and I doubt many trainers could either.
Why is this a hot topic for me? I am a goalie. I have 3 different custom fitted masks. Something as miniscule as cutting my hair has an effect on how each mask fits me and I switch masks frequently according to which one fits me best.
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