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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 9:18:46 GMT -6
I was just wondering what happened to most of the players taken out of the dispersal draft? Seems like they weren't good enough to stick with broncos.
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Post by swkot on Nov 13, 2018 14:18:28 GMT -6
Bryson Cecconi, Kyle Sargent and Mark Edmands are still with the team. Ayden Third is a list player who still has one more year of midget eligibility left.
Kopyczyn was traded for Payton McIsaac, who was then traded for Colin MacPherson (he's still with the team).
Jessie Young was traded to Flin Flon for Mike Wong. Not sure what happened with Wong that he ended up in Winkler and then eventually traded to Melville for a PDF.
Also not sure about Ahmed Ally. He started the regular season in Winkler and is now playing for Regina Capitals.
Eric McNeilly is playing Junior B as well.
Smith and Mikesch were not good choices, as both were Americans with NAHL interest, which is where they both ended up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 16:04:05 GMT -6
Bryson Cecconi, Kyle Sargent and Mark Edmands are still with the team. Ayden Third is a list player who still has one more year of midget eligibility left. Kopyczyn was traded for Payton McIsaac, who was then traded for Colin MacPherson (he's still with the team). Jessie Young was traded to Flin Flon for Mike Wong. Not sure what happened with Wong that he ended up in Winkler and then eventually traded to Melville for a PDF. Also not sure about Ahmed Ally. He started the regular season in Winkler and is now playing for Regina Capitals. Eric McNeilly is playing Junior B as well. Smith and Mikesch were not good choices, as both were Americans with NAHL interest, which is where they both ended up. Think Sargent was let go?
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Post by swkot on Nov 13, 2018 17:57:48 GMT -6
Think Sargent was let go? Still showing on the roster.
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Post by swkot on Nov 16, 2018 15:56:59 GMT -6
I found clarification on Wong and Ally, they were dealt to Winkler in a trade on September 13 that didn't make social media.
Sargent is indeed showing as being released as of today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 18:01:38 GMT -6
I found clarification on Wong and Ally, they were dealt to Winkler in a trade on September 13 that didn't make social media. Sargent is indeed showing as being released as of today. Kind of feel for some of these kids who were plucked from there respective sj teams, and then dealt. Both ally and Sargent would hold spots on there last clubs.
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Post by klipperman on Nov 16, 2018 18:39:55 GMT -6
I found clarification on Wong and Ally, they were dealt to Winkler in a trade on September 13 that didn't make social media. Sargent is indeed showing as being released as of today. Kind of feel for some of these kids who were plucked from there respective sj teams, and then dealt. Both ally and Sargent would hold spots on there last clubs. Absolutely! But fortunately or unfortunately whatever way you look at it, the Broncos have deep pockets this year, and they’re making good use of it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go after Diapoalo and Zambon. They would have a 20 year old problem. If Klippers had deep pockets they would do exactly the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 2:24:26 GMT -6
That’s not what the draft was intended for.
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Post by RockyBottom on Nov 20, 2018 12:47:36 GMT -6
Here are a couple of comments that were in the LaRonge Ice Wolves section.....curious what other think about it....I have heard this mentioned in a lot of conversations this year.....given the standings it is a valid concern.....
1st Comment: "The league wants Humboldt to win, the country wants Humboldt to win.. that’s why I’ve kind of lost interest in the league.. politics have come in and every team should be treated the same.. I understand the tradgedy that Humboldt went thru but when the other teams gave players to help and they didn’t keep many, they really didn’t need the help." posted by Stars123
2nd Comment "That explains why they get the calls in their favor from time to time, more times than is their time.... Many have commented on that privately. Not just a single team either. It would make a wonderful movie 15 yrs from now but the players should be writing that script, not the league, officials or media." posted by confused
I do think that the dispersal draft had good intentions, but lacked guidelines for what was to be done with those players....personally, I would have liked to see a qualification that would require them to remain with Humboldt or be released, with first right of refusal going to the team they were plucked from....then they would have thought long and hard before taking players from other teams....
They could walk away with 1st overall....they are no underdog team....
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Post by bomberville on Nov 20, 2018 13:04:18 GMT -6
I will say I regret donating money and so do a lot of other people. The way the Humboldt organization has taken advantage of the situation is sickening. I sure hope the players and families are being taken care of first, for as long as need be first. Like was intended.
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Post by RockyBottom on Nov 20, 2018 13:23:43 GMT -6
I will say I regret donating money and so do a lot of other people. The way the Humboldt organization has taken advantage of the situation is sickening. I sure hope the players and families are being taken care of first, for as long as need be first. Like was intended. But, is Humboldt really to blame for trying to put the best team they could on the ice?
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Post by bomberville on Nov 20, 2018 13:35:44 GMT -6
I will say I regret donating money and so do a lot of other people. The way the Humboldt organization has taken advantage of the situation is sickening. I sure hope the players and families are being taken care of first, for as long as need be first. Like was intended. But, is Humboldt really to blame for trying to put the best team they could on the ice?
With money that wasn’t intended for that purpose and at the expense of every other team in this league. You bet they are.
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Post by hank30 on Nov 20, 2018 13:55:44 GMT -6
Has the team released any financial statements that say how much money was donated to the team itself?
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Post by klipperman on Nov 20, 2018 14:16:46 GMT -6
Here are a couple of comments that were in the LaRonge Ice Wolves section.....curious what other think about it....I have heard this mentioned in a lot of conversations this year.....given the standings it is a valid concern..... 1st Comment: "The league wants Humboldt to win, the country wants Humboldt to win.. that’s why I’ve kind of lost interest in the league.. politics have come in and every team should be treated the same.. I understand the tradgedy that Humboldt went thru but when the other teams gave players to help and they didn’t keep many, they really didn’t need the help." posted by Stars123 2nd Comment "That explains why they get the calls in their favor from time to time, more times than is their time.... Many have commented on that privately. Not just a single team either. It would make a wonderful movie 15 yrs from now but the players should be writing that script, not the league, officials or media." posted by confused I do think that the dispersal draft had good intentions, but lacked guidelines for what was to be done with those players....personally, I would have liked to see a qualification that would require them to remain with Humboldt or be released, with first right of refusal going to the team they were plucked from....then they would have thought long and hard before taking players from other teams.... They could walk away with 1st overall....they are no underdog team.... The CJHL needs to take leadership on this, and set a maximum total PDF spend per team.
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Post by RockyBottom on Nov 20, 2018 14:23:03 GMT -6
Has the team released any financial statements that say how much money was donated to the team itself? I was not aware that any money was given to the Broncos (by the league or through the GO Fund Me campaign) to 'rebuild the team'...
I thought the league and other SJHL teams participated in the dispersal draft to help rebuild the team. Was there money involved as well?
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Post by thegreat1 on Nov 20, 2018 14:41:56 GMT -6
Has the team released any financial statements that say how much money was donated to the team itself? I was not aware that any money was given to the Broncos (by the league or through the GO Fund Me campaign) to 'rebuild the team'...
I thought the league and other SJHL teams participated in the dispersal draft to help rebuild the team. Was there money involved as well?
The team received almost 2 million in donations outside of the GO Fund Me that’s being used directly towards hockey operations. The go fund me is going to the players & families. Garanger was an amazing face for the franchise post accident, however behind the scenes was a different story. He was given a choice, resign or else.
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Post by stupendousman on Nov 20, 2018 14:49:29 GMT -6
Wow. It sure didn't take long for people to turn on the Broncos. I don't know how much turnover teams like Penticton and Brooks go through, but I've never heard of a CJHL team with less than 4 returnees being competitive the following season, let alone above average. So you can hardly blame the league for at least doing something to help. Also, it's not like the Broncos are running away with the league. They seem to be grinding out wins. www.tsn.ca/humboldt-still-deliberating-how-to-divide-20-million-in-donations-1.1171409This has a pretty decent breakdown of donations. There is mention of the golf tournament proceeds going to "hockey operations", but not really anything about player acquisitions. I see $2 million went directly to the team. You would think there would be guidelines attached to that money or that the donors would have some idea what they were donating to before helping out. Humboldt has always been an attractive place for recruits. This year, they also have a chance to be a part of something special. I think they would have been above average without the draft or cash transactions. The annual cap on PDF spending is an interesting idea. I like it, but it's also a way for struggling teams to create assets out of nothing. So hopefully a cap wouldn't be too restrictive.
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Post by klipperman on Nov 20, 2018 14:50:33 GMT -6
I was not aware that any money was given to the Broncos (by the league or through the GO Fund Me campaign) to 'rebuild the team'... I thought the league and other SJHL teams participated in the dispersal draft to help rebuild the team. Was there money involved as well?
The team received almost 2 million in donations outside of the GO Fund Me that’s being used directly towards hockey operations. The go fund me is going to the players & families. Garanger was an amazing face for the franchise post accident, however behind the scenes was a different story. He was given a choice, resign or else. Why was he pushed out?
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Post by bomberville on Nov 20, 2018 14:52:15 GMT -6
I was not aware that any money was given to the Broncos (by the league or through the GO Fund Me campaign) to 'rebuild the team'... I thought the league and other SJHL teams participated in the dispersal draft to help rebuild the team. Was there money involved as well?
The team received almost 2 million in donations outside of the GO Fund Me that’s being used directly towards hockey operations. The go fund me is going to the players & families. Garanger was an amazing face for the franchise post accident, however behind the scenes was a different story. He was given a choice, resign or else. Garanger was an absolute rock star. Not all money was donated through go fund like you said. Bang on!!!
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Post by RockyBottom on Nov 20, 2018 15:13:13 GMT -6
Wow. It sure didn't take long for people to turn on the Broncos. I don't know how much turnover teams like Penticton and Brooks go through, but I've never heard of a CJHL team with less than 4 returnees being competitive the following season, let alone above average. So you can hardly blame the league for at least doing something to help. Also, it's not like the Broncos are running away with the league. They seem to be grinding out wins. www.tsn.ca/humboldt-still-deliberating-how-to-divide-20-million-in-donations-1.1171409This has a pretty decent breakdown of donations. There is mention of the golf tournament proceeds going to "hockey operations", but not really anything about player acquisitions. I see $2 million went directly to the team. You would think there would be guidelines attached to that money or that the donors would have some idea what they were donating to before helping out. Humboldt has always been an attractive place for recruits. This year, they also have a chance to be a part of something special. I think they would have been above average without the draft or cash transactions. The annual cap on PDF spending is an interesting idea. I like it, but it's also a way for struggling teams to create assets out of nothing. So hopefully a cap wouldn't be too restrictive. I haven't viewed this as turning on the Broncos in any way....more of a clarification of facts. I kept hearing so much quietly spoken about (everyone is scared to talk about it out of respect, and I totally understand) so I thought there could be a respectful conversation so that the uninformed could get informed. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. If someone is really upset about the Broncos based on an incorrect fact about how much money they are spending to build the team then this is the place to correct them. If we all find out they do have this 2 million dollars to build a team for the.....well...forever I guess.... then there is something the league needs to deal with IMO.....
And YES....Humboldt has a rich history and has been a very attractive place to play hockey for a long time.
I don't know for sure but I thought I read the Hawks only have 5-6 returning players.....after winning the league??? anyone confirm that?
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Post by hank30 on Nov 20, 2018 15:53:02 GMT -6
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Post by stupendousman on Nov 20, 2018 16:30:43 GMT -6
I haven't viewed this as turning on the Broncos in any way....more of a clarification of facts. I kept hearing so much quietly spoken about (everyone is scared to talk about it out of respect, and I totally understand) so I thought there could be a respectful conversation so that the uninformed could get informed. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. If someone is really upset about the Broncos based on an incorrect fact about how much money they are spending to build the team then this is the place to correct them. If we all find out they do have this 2 million dollars to build a team for the.....well...forever I guess.... then there is something the league needs to deal with IMO..... I have no problem with talk about whether the Broncos were allowed to use donations for recruiting/trades, and whether that's good for the league. That's a healthy conversation. And the rest of this post isn't directed at you. But some individuals on here clearly went beyond that. We can't call the Broncos' actions 'sickening' or make allegations about Garinger's fate without some proof. So let's see it. My question is do we even have this conversation if Humboldt isn't a first-place team? I highly doubt this would have been brought up if they had been middle-of-the-road or struggling. And yet they aren't nearly as powerful as they were in their RBC year. So where did all the 'healing is in the game' and 'there are more important things than hockey' talk go? The message I'm seeing here is 'It's too much healing if it costs my own team' or 'I regret giving money to the Broncos if it helped their on-ice product.' Really? Unless you've got proof that the Broncos said one thing about the donated money and did another, why is that off limits?
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Post by archer on Nov 20, 2018 17:30:45 GMT -6
I can tell u for certain (look up the articles yourself) that moneys raised by certain groups in late spring and summer went directly to the Broncos organization for a "rebuild" of on ice product Cade Kowalski and Garrett Szeremely (Weyburn Red Wings) raised $17,000 in their home town in May and hand delivered it to Garinger at the Bronco offices A wonderful gesture from those young men and I understand the group that helped them in their home town was very happy the money went directly to the team Isn't all that a great thing ?! Hockey players and communities helping to ensure that other players and communities have support?! Guess I'm not seeing the issue here Good on the team to use those assets for success
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Post by archer on Nov 20, 2018 17:32:57 GMT -6
And good on those young men and anyone else that did similar things to assist the Broncos !
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Post by thegreat1 on Nov 20, 2018 18:18:08 GMT -6
Humboldt also doesn’t need to pay for billets. Likely the second biggest expense of their team. Sobeys donates 200k to be used directly towards billets
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Post by hockeyfan50 on Nov 20, 2018 18:39:23 GMT -6
After reading the posts about this. A lot of questions are going to be asked. My take is this. If its true and outcome is known. What is the point of going to watch playoffs. Fans could be lost because of this. If I tape a game and someone tells me the score before, I don't watch the game. I can see why the one person on here lost interest in the games.
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Post by confused on Nov 20, 2018 18:40:35 GMT -6
I believe the Sobeys deal was over 2 or 3 years but still is a huge help. Likely a result if the accident but that's Ok. Would we be having the conversation about the Broncos being in first if they were not in first... that is an obvious NO. No one will ever know how much cash was given with perfect intentions that never got receited or tracked. 2 Mil on the books I would guess another half mil at the least from people who just gave without strings attached. That money could be used anywhere. Shouldn t need to worry, IF things are shady it will come back on them.
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Post by RockyBottom on Nov 20, 2018 18:44:44 GMT -6
I haven't viewed this as turning on the Broncos in any way....more of a clarification of facts. I kept hearing so much quietly spoken about (everyone is scared to talk about it out of respect, and I totally understand) so I thought there could be a respectful conversation so that the uninformed could get informed. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. If someone is really upset about the Broncos based on an incorrect fact about how much money they are spending to build the team then this is the place to correct them. If we all find out they do have this 2 million dollars to build a team for the.....well...forever I guess.... then there is something the league needs to deal with IMO..... I have no problem with talk about whether the Broncos were allowed to use donations for recruiting/trades, and whether that's good for the league. That's a healthy conversation. And the rest of this post isn't directed at you. But some individuals on here clearly went beyond that. We can't call the Broncos' actions 'sickening' or make allegations about Garinger's fate without some proof. So let's see it. My question is do we even have this conversation if Humboldt isn't a first-place team? I highly doubt this would have been brought up if they had been middle-of-the-road or struggling. And yet they aren't nearly as powerful as they were in their RBC year. So where did all the 'healing is in the game' and 'there are more important things than hockey' talk go? The message I'm seeing here is 'It's too much healing if it costs my own team' or 'I regret giving money to the Broncos if it helped their on-ice product.' Really? Unless you've got proof that the Broncos said one thing about the donated money and did another, why is that off limits? The conversations I was a part of came up long before the Broncos climbed to the top.....but them climbing to the top has really increased the tension and frequency of the conversations.
I am glad they aren't struggling through a 5 -10 win season....and I have no problem with them being a good SJHL team....but, I really hope they don't dominate and go from a 100 percent rebuild to the best team in the SJHL.... and it is possible....the optics are bad....that isn't fair to the other teams....they all lost friends and past team mates. I can't imagine what the Hawks dealt with after that accident and still managed to win the league. The Hawks deserved more acknowledgement than they got, but you don't here a peep out of that underdog town .... unless more happened than I am aware of. They didn't turn their back and ignore it...they invited Beaudry to their practices....they wore the green helmets as a constant reminder....
The other side of this that sucks.........Humboldt coaching staff won't ever get full credit for this team either....it is scarred with asterisks....and that may not be fair to them.....
IMO, it is time to move on and get back to the Humboldt Broncos of the SJHL on a level playing field with the other teams in the SJHL. If all this money is there and the situation isn't handled properly by the CHL / SJHL then we may never see that level playing field again in the SJHL and this conversation will resurface every year.
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Post by stupendousman on Nov 20, 2018 19:16:16 GMT -6
I am glad they aren't struggling through a 5 -10 win season....and I have no problem with them being a good SJHL team....but, I really hope they don't dominate and go from a 100 percent rebuild to the best team in the SJHL.... and it is possible....the optics are bad....that isn't fair to the other teams.... IMO, it is time to move on and get back to the Humboldt Broncos of the SJHL on a level playing field with the other teams in the SJHL. If all this money is there and the situation isn't handled properly by the CHL / SJHL then we may never see that level playing field again in the SJHL and this conversation will resurface every year.
Isn't fair? Level playing field? Let's fix the ongoing disparity between the haves and have nots in the SJHL/CJHL before we worry about an issue that will likely only last one season. Like previous years, the gap between teams like Melville and La Ronge and the rest of the league is greater than any advantage Humboldt has on the other top teams.
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Post by RockyBottom on Nov 20, 2018 19:51:11 GMT -6
I am glad they aren't struggling through a 5 -10 win season....and I have no problem with them being a good SJHL team....but, I really hope they don't dominate and go from a 100 percent rebuild to the best team in the SJHL.... and it is possible....the optics are bad....that isn't fair to the other teams.... IMO, it is time to move on and get back to the Humboldt Broncos of the SJHL on a level playing field with the other teams in the SJHL. If all this money is there and the situation isn't handled properly by the CHL / SJHL then we may never see that level playing field again in the SJHL and this conversation will resurface every year.
Isn't fair? Level playing field? Let's fix the ongoing disparity between the haves and have nots in the SJHL/CJHL before we worry about an issue that will likely only last one season. Like previous years, the gap between teams like Melville and La Ronge and the rest of the league is greater than any advantage Humboldt has on the other top teams. I am not familiar with the problem you are referring to? We are talking about the Humboldt situation ..... hijacking it will take away from the discussion. Start a thread with the Melville and LaRonge unfair disparities .... I would love to hear about them.
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